Monday, April 28, 2008

Re: [BLUG] Hardy Heron: the good?

As an improvement over Firefox 2, Firefox 3 correctly breaks lines in
a webpage containing Tibetan script. This is important those
communities that depend on a ready-to-go system localized in Tibetan
(most notably in Bhutan).

Chris


On Apr 28, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Dabrowski, Andrew J wrote:
> Has anyone noticed any nontrivial improvements in 8.04 over 7.10?
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[BLUG] Hardy Heron: the good?

Has anyone noticed any nontrivial improvements in 8.04 over 7.10?

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Re: [BLUG] thoroughly unimpressed with Hardy

On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 02:41 +0000, Mark Krenz wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 02:18:00AM GMT, Joe Auty [joe@netmusician.org] said the following:
> >
> > 3) Synergy now needs to be run as root
>
> That's very strange and not good.
>
> > I'm thinking about downgrading back to Gutsy, but I'm kind of afraid
> > to do that... I may have to wipe/reinstall. I guess next time I
> > shouldn't count on these upgrades going as smoothly as my upgrade from
> > Fiesty to Gutsy did.
>
> I rarely do an "upgrade". I usually wipe and reinstall. Its a good
> oppurtunity for me to clean things up like my home directory, discover
> new software, drop unused software and avoid these wierd problems that
> happen when you upgrade your operating system. It really is not a Linux
> thing, its an OS thing. Windows, Linux, Mac.. same difference. Don't
> upgrade. Reinstall. Except with Windows you also reinstall it to fix
> most problems.
>
>

Cleaning up is for the weak!

Actually, I have /home on a separate filesystem so I can upgrade or
clean install without losing my settings and data.

Brian

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Re: [BLUG] thoroughly unimpressed with Hardy

I feel the same way about the clean install,  but if I'm gonna wipe anyway generally I back up and let it upgrade anyway before the wipe (just to see if it works).  It gives me a chance to warn people off of the upgrade, or say "give it a shot".

For instance, my Feisty ---> Gutsy upgrade went well, as did a recent upgrade from OSX 10.4 ---> 10.5.  I still wiped both of those installs out after I did them, though.  :)

Dave Cooley dcooley@kiva.net


Simón Ruiz wrote:
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:   
  I rarely do an "upgrade". I usually wipe and reinstall.  Its a good  oppurtunity for me to clean things up like my home directory, discover  new software, drop unused software and avoid these wierd problems that  happen when you upgrade your operating system. It really is not a Linux  thing, its an OS thing.  Windows, Linux, Mac.. same difference.  Don't  upgrade.  Reinstall.  Except with Windows you also reinstall it to fix  most problems.     
 Yeah, it's like an opportunity to re-evaluate all the junk you put on your system and whether you even want it anymore.  Also, if you're anything like me, you tend to fiddle with the more esoteric configurations and settings, you tend to want software from outside of the official repos so you add unofficial repos to your sources and/or compile/recompile stuff from source and generally do the sorts of things that the people preparing the "upgrade" scripts can't reasonably be expected to foresee having to deal with.  If I don't do that sort of fiddling, my upgrades work. Since I do, though, I avoid the hassle of even trying.  Plus, as Mark said, it's a good opportunity for personal computing habit reflection and an excellent chance to let go of some of the garbage I know I accumulate on my hard disks.    
 --  Mark Krenz  Bloomington Linux Users Group  http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/     
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Re: [BLUG] thoroughly unimpressed with Hardy

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
> I rarely do an "upgrade". I usually wipe and reinstall. Its a good
> oppurtunity for me to clean things up like my home directory, discover
> new software, drop unused software and avoid these wierd problems that
> happen when you upgrade your operating system. It really is not a Linux
> thing, its an OS thing. Windows, Linux, Mac.. same difference. Don't
> upgrade. Reinstall. Except with Windows you also reinstall it to fix
> most problems.

Yeah, it's like an opportunity to re-evaluate all the junk you put on
your system and whether you even want it anymore.

Also, if you're anything like me, you tend to fiddle with the more
esoteric configurations and settings, you tend to want software from
outside of the official repos so you add unofficial repos to your
sources and/or compile/recompile stuff from source and generally do
the sorts of things that the people preparing the "upgrade" scripts
can't reasonably be expected to foresee having to deal with.

If I don't do that sort of fiddling, my upgrades work. Since I do,
though, I avoid the hassle of even trying.

Plus, as Mark said, it's a good opportunity for personal computing
habit reflection and an excellent chance to let go of some of the
garbage I know I accumulate on my hard disks.

> --
> Mark Krenz
> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>

http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/

Simón

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Sunday, April 27, 2008

Re: [BLUG] thoroughly unimpressed with Hardy

I'm feeling a little better in having figured out one of these problems:

On Apr 27, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Joe Auty wrote:

> I'm wondering if any of you have had the problems I've had in a
> network update to Hardy:
>
>
> 1) My Nvidia Geforce 8500 GT cannot be properly probed to determine
> available resolutions, I'm stuck at 640x480 w. the proprietary
> Nvidia driver. Several other users have had this same problem, it's
> an open bug on Launchpad. For now, I'm stuck with the open source
> driver, where I get my full screen resolution, but no 3D acceleration.
>
> 2) Hardy completely messed up my lirc config. Even after recompiling
> the modules (which was necessary), I'm still having problems that
> didn't exist in Gutsy with the lirc_pvr150 kernel module. For now,
> I'm remote-less.
>

I figured this out, for some reason the new lirc config was claiming
the lirc_dev module for both my receiver and IR transmitter which was
causing a conflict. I only needed lirc_dev for my IR transmitter. I
fixed this both by recompiling the lirc modules as well as taking cues
from my old configuration.


> 3) Synergy now needs to be run as root
>

This is very weird. There is at least one thread about this on the
Ubuntu forums. The fix involves not only running as root, but sudoing
the command as a regular user. Otherwise, for me, the daemon will
periodically die and leave my cursor stuck. Hopefully there will be a
resolution for this one.


The Nvidia issue still lingers, annoyingly so.


>
>
>
> I'm thinking about downgrading back to Gutsy, but I'm kind of afraid
> to do that... I may have to wipe/reinstall. I guess next time I
> shouldn't count on these upgrades going as smoothly as my upgrade
> from Fiesty to Gutsy did.
>
> Anybody else having these sorts of difficulties?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----------
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> NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
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Re: [BLUG] thoroughly unimpressed with Hardy

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 02:18:00AM GMT, Joe Auty [joe@netmusician.org] said the following:
>
> 3) Synergy now needs to be run as root

That's very strange and not good.

> I'm thinking about downgrading back to Gutsy, but I'm kind of afraid
> to do that... I may have to wipe/reinstall. I guess next time I
> shouldn't count on these upgrades going as smoothly as my upgrade from
> Fiesty to Gutsy did.

I rarely do an "upgrade". I usually wipe and reinstall. Its a good
oppurtunity for me to clean things up like my home directory, discover
new software, drop unused software and avoid these wierd problems that
happen when you upgrade your operating system. It really is not a Linux
thing, its an OS thing. Windows, Linux, Mac.. same difference. Don't
upgrade. Reinstall. Except with Windows you also reinstall it to fix
most problems.


--
Mark Krenz
Bloomington Linux Users Group
http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
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