Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Re: [BLUG] How do you like to get rid of terminal corruption?

When 'reset' doesn't work, I usually do a terminal-based reset. In
Konsole, this is available in the Edit menu as 'Reset and Clear
Terminal'. In GNOME Terminal this is available in the Terminal
menu as 'Reset and Clear'. In 'xterm' this is available via the
Control-Middle-Click context menu and is listed as 'Do Soft Reset' or
'Do Full Reset'. (I would try the 'soft reset' then move to the 'full
reset'.)

Most of the time if the menu bar is disabled, the full menu is available
via a context menu. Worst case, you use the context menu to enable the
full menu, make the change, then disable the menu again.

I know there are other terminal emulators available. It is a standard
hardware terminal feature that has been available in terminal emulators
since the beginning. Any terminal emulator lacking this feature is
incomplete and should either be fixed or tossed out.

It looks like it is using an "alternate character set". That should
be handled by the reset command. This is a DEC VT100 feature -- very
old-school. My concern is that this feature may (1) be broken in your
terminal emulator, as it is rarely used or (2) extended in some weird
way that 'reset' can only handle when it knows the command to send, and
it isn't being sent as the TERM is set to 'xterm' and you're not using
'xterm'.

Not all terminal emulators properly set the TERM variable. They
sometimes support features they do not advertise. In these cases 'reset'
can not properly clear things up.

This is something of a pet peeve of mine, as it turns out quite a few of
the modern terminal emulators support 256-color mode, however when they
wrongly list the TERM as 'xterm' this capacity is totally unavailable to
applications. Why impliment features no application can ever use?

The only time this would happen under acceptable circumstances would be
if you're SSHing in to a non-Linux machine and it doesn't know your TERM
type. In these cases it is common to set it to something close (such as
'xterm'). Even in these cases, the better solution is to copy the data
from your desktop. (Though I'm usually too lazy to actually do this, so
I understand why other people don't do this, too.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:39:54AM +0000, Mark Krenz wrote:
>
> That only works sometimes. In this case I tried reset and it didn't
> work.
>
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 03:55:46AM GMT, Jeremy L. Gaddis [jlgaddis@ivytech.edu] said the following:
> > "reset"?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blug-bounces@cs.indiana.edu [mailto:blug-bounces@cs.indiana.edu]
> > On Behalf Of Mark Krenz
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:48 PM
> > To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
> > Subject: [BLUG] How do you like to get rid of terminal corruption?
> >
> >
> > You know, disk encryption, 16 character multiclass passwords that I
> > rotate every week, firewalls that require my approval for every packet,
> > that was never really enough for me. Something was missing, so I
> > decided to learn a binary character set and use it on nearly everything.
> >
> > http://suso.suso.org/mediafiles/terminalgarbage.jpg
> >
> > Now even the causual over the shoulder gawker won't know what I'm doing
> > or who owns files.
> >
> > Ok, just kidding. I'm curious though, how do you usually like to get
> > rid of terminal corruption? Do you just close the terminal or are you
> > daring and try to reverse it by cat'ing out /dev/urandom or /dev/sda?
> > Sometimes I'll try cat'ing /dev/urandom, but something makes me think
> > that its dangerous to do that. Anyone know?

Re: [BLUG] How do you like to get rid of terminal corruption?

Since I heard about it, I use reset. I've actually never had that not
work that I can remember.

If it ever doesn't work for me, maybe I'll remember your /dev/urandom trick.

Or maybe I'll do what I used to do: close out the terminal and open a new one.

You're not saying that this happens in ever terminal you open, are you?

Simón

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
>  You know, disk encryption, 16 character multiclass passwords that I
> rotate every week, firewalls that require my approval for every packet,
> that was never really enough for me.  Something was missing, so I
> decided to learn a binary character set and use it on nearly everything.
>
>   http://suso.suso.org/mediafiles/terminalgarbage.jpg
>
>  Now even the causual over the shoulder gawker won't know what I'm doing
> or who owns files.
>
>  Ok, just kidding. I'm curious though, how do you usually like to get
> rid of terminal corruption?  Do you just close the terminal or are you
> daring and try to reverse it by cat'ing out /dev/urandom or /dev/sda?
> Sometimes I'll try cat'ing /dev/urandom, but something makes me think
> that its dangerous to do that. Anyone know?
>
>  Mark
>
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Re: [BLUG] Linux LanParty/Linux Fest

I think this event would be a lot of fun and quite educational.

I would bring my openSUSE laptop to the event...

Either date works for me.

Thanks for organizing this!

-Adil

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:

 Well, with IU's LinuxFest now in the past and the oppurtunity for
others to pick up the slack, I thought it would be a good time to try
something new. Suso would like to host a Linux LAN Party some Saturday
in April that would go from like noon til 2am or something. Activities
could include games, sharing information, tutorials, hanging out, etc.
I also wanted to make this a Blender Users Group thing too.

 What I wanted to ask everyone is how much interest would there be in
this?  Would you bring a computer to the event?  Marina and I agreed
that Suso would be able to sponsor space and buy refreshments. Our new
office suite is big enough to maybe have space for 10-12 people to sit
comfortably with their computers in the front area with some room for
people to wark around.  We also have the ability to reserve things like
the Fountain Square ballroom, but Saturdays are not as easy to get.  But
other space in FSM is available too.

 Also, what Saturday would work, I think April 11th or 18th would be
good.  The 18th seems to be most ideal because there aren't any
significant events I could find for that weekend.  The 25th-26th is the
IU LAN war 16 and Little 5 so it would be nice to have it before or
after that so it wouldn't interfere.

Mark

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Re: [BLUG] Re: BLUG Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

It must be a new Gnome feature Simon because it doesn't exist on
Ubuntu 8.04.

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 03:30:03PM GMT, Simón Ruiz [simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com] said the following:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Steven Black <blacks@indiana.edu> wrote:
> > Here's a fun fact: There's no way to lock the taskbars in GNOME.
> > (At least none in the GUI.) This means it is always subject to
> > click-and-drag moving them around the screen. I don't know why my wife
> > has the problem but she has quite a problem.
>
> Huh?
>
> *right-clicks on panel, sees "Lock Panel Position" option, scratches head*
>
> Am I misunderstanding your statement?
>
> Simón
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Re: [BLUG] Linux LanParty/Linux Fest

I'd be interested.  Would love to help with the grunt work if I can.  Keep us posted - it's a heckuva idea!  Thanks for offering!
P.S.  Love the webcam.  


[BLUG] Linux LanParty/Linux Fest

Well, with IU's LinuxFest now in the past and the oppurtunity for
others to pick up the slack, I thought it would be a good time to try
something new. Suso would like to host a Linux LAN Party some Saturday
in April that would go from like noon til 2am or something. Activities
could include games, sharing information, tutorials, hanging out, etc.
I also wanted to make this a Blender Users Group thing too.

What I wanted to ask everyone is how much interest would there be in
this? Would you bring a computer to the event? Marina and I agreed
that Suso would be able to sponsor space and buy refreshments. Our new
office suite is big enough to maybe have space for 10-12 people to sit
comfortably with their computers in the front area with some room for
people to wark around. We also have the ability to reserve things like
the Fountain Square ballroom, but Saturdays are not as easy to get. But
other space in FSM is available too.

Also, what Saturday would work, I think April 11th or 18th would be
good. The 18th seems to be most ideal because there aren't any
significant events I could find for that weekend. The 25th-26th is the
IU LAN war 16 and Little 5 so it would be nice to have it before or
after that so it wouldn't interfere.

Mark

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Re: [BLUG] Re: BLUG Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Steven Black <blacks@indiana.edu> wrote:
> Here's a fun fact: There's no way to lock the taskbars in GNOME.
> (At least none in the GUI.) This means it is always subject to
> click-and-drag moving them around the screen. I don't know why my wife
> has the problem but she has quite a problem.

Huh?

*right-clicks on panel, sees "Lock Panel Position" option, scratches head*

Am I misunderstanding your statement?

Simón

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