Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Re: [BLUG] How do you like to get rid of terminal corruption?

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:06:21PM -0500, Gillis, Chad wrote:
> Quoting Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org>:
>> Ok, just kidding. I'm curious though, how do you usually like to get
>> rid of terminal corruption? Do you just close the terminal or are you
>> daring and try to reverse it by cat'ing out /dev/urandom or /dev/sda?
>> Sometimes I'll try cat'ing /dev/urandom, but something makes me think
>> that its dangerous to do that. Anyone know?
>
> What does cat /dev/urandom acheive? Doesn't that just say spew random
> garbage? Is it the homeopathic method? :)

The issue is that some garbage sent to the terminal emulator mucked
up some setting and now you can't read any new text. The scroll back
is unimpacted, presuming that wasn't cleared or just swamped. (This is
due to the problem being the character set being set oddly. VT100's
supported a concept of an 'alternate' character set which would contain
characters not normally in the main character set. You could send a
control sequence to change the character set. This allowed for non-Latin
glyphs on some models of those early terminals.)

cat'ing /dev/urandom is normally a good way to achieve just such an
unreadable terminal. This is what makes it 'daring' as Mark said. If it
can cause such a problem, just maybe it can clear such a problem.

The danger in random escape codes is related primarily to the extensions
supported by your terminal emulator as well as certain design decisions.
If all windows of an application are handled within a single main
process, and you send a strange undocumented escape code (which is
undocumented as it relates to an incomplete feature that crashes the
terminal emulator) it could be possible to crash all of your open
terminal emulator windows.

Personally, I wouldn't try any of the random character methods. Instead,
I'd do what I mentioned in a previous email and just use a client-side
reset command.

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Re: [BLUG] Linux LanParty/Linux Fest

I'm in. The 18th (or earlier) would work best for me. I have both a
laptop and a desktop I could bring,

What games do you have in mind? I can suggest a few:

Nexuiz (think Unreal Tournament, but faster)
Cube
Frozen Bubble (network play)
BZFlag
Various games that work under WINE (Unreal, StarCraft...)

Any others?

-Barry

Mark Krenz wrote:
> Well, with IU's LinuxFest now in the past and the oppurtunity for
> others to pick up the slack, I thought it would be a good time to try
> something new. Suso would like to host a Linux LAN Party some Saturday
> in April that would go from like noon til 2am or something. Activities
> could include games, sharing information, tutorials, hanging out, etc.
> I also wanted to make this a Blender Users Group thing too.
>
> What I wanted to ask everyone is how much interest would there be in
> this? Would you bring a computer to the event? Marina and I agreed
> that Suso would be able to sponsor space and buy refreshments. Our new
> office suite is big enough to maybe have space for 10-12 people to sit
> comfortably with their computers in the front area with some room for
> people to wark around. We also have the ability to reserve things like
> the Fountain Square ballroom, but Saturdays are not as easy to get. But
> other space in FSM is available too.
>
> Also, what Saturday would work, I think April 11th or 18th would be
> good. The 18th seems to be most ideal because there aren't any
> significant events I could find for that weekend. The 25th-26th is the
> IU LAN war 16 and Little 5 so it would be nice to have it before or
> after that so it wouldn't interfere.
>
> Mark
>
>

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Re: [BLUG] Re: BLUG Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

That feature alone is enough to upgrade my wife's laptop from
8.04 LTS to 8.10 release.

Simón, thanks for letting me know about that!

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:17:06PM +0000, Mark Krenz wrote:
>
> It must be a new Gnome feature Simon because it doesn't exist on
> Ubuntu 8.04.
>
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 03:30:03PM GMT, Simón Ruiz [simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com] said the following:
> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Steven Black <blacks@indiana.edu> wrote:
> > > Here's a fun fact: There's no way to lock the taskbars in GNOME.
> > > (At least none in the GUI.) This means it is always subject to
> > > click-and-drag moving them around the screen. I don't know why my wife
> > > has the problem but she has quite a problem.
> >
> > Huh?
> >
> > *right-clicks on panel, sees "Lock Panel Position" option, scratches head*
> >
> > Am I misunderstanding your statement?
> >
> > Simón

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Re: [BLUG] Linux Format issue 116 available for free

Isn't UTC also called Zulu time by pilots?  I have a relative who is a pilot and is always saying we should all just move to Zulu time. 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Barry Schatz <sorbetninja@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, it was kinda late when I posted. I forgot about it, then
remembered and had to get my copy. Then I realized no one had posted to
the list about it. It will be taken down at 23:59:59 GMT March 4th. That
would be just before 7:00 pm EST.

That's fine to correct me. If everyone were on UTC to begin with, we
wouldn't have these problems.

-Barry

PS. It's not related, but 23:59:60 broke the 30 Gb Zunes. Silly Microsoft!

Steven Black wrote:
> Now, when you wrote 'midnight GMT tomorrow' on Tuesday, did you mean
> Wednesday 00:00 GMT -- which was actually midnight tomorrow when you
> wrote this (on Tuesday) or did you mean shortly after 23:59 GMT on
> Wednesday, which is actually Thursday 00:00 GMT?
>
> You wrote it to mean 00:00 GMT Wednesday, which has already elapsed.
>
> The site says it goes offline at 23:59:59 GMT March 4th, which means on
> midnight Thursday (the 5th) it will no longer be available.
>
> Remember: Midnight == 00:00 == start of the day
>
> If more people used ISO time this would be less of an issue.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
>
> With ISO time, you could have said "tomorrow at 24:00 the link goes
> down."
>
> I'm sorry. This is another pet peeve of mine.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:19:22PM -0500, Barry Schatz wrote:
>
>> Linux Format is offering issue 116 for free (as in beer) on their website via
>> BitTorrent. The link will be gone at midnight GMT tomorrow (today, depending
>> on when you read this).
>>
>> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>>
>> There are torrents for high and low quality versions, as well as a torrent for
>> the dvd included with the print version. Better get started!
>>
>> -Barry
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Re: [BLUG] Linux Format issue 116 available for free

Sorry, it was kinda late when I posted. I forgot about it, then
remembered and had to get my copy. Then I realized no one had posted to
the list about it. It will be taken down at 23:59:59 GMT March 4th. That
would be just before 7:00 pm EST.

That's fine to correct me. If everyone were on UTC to begin with, we
wouldn't have these problems.

-Barry

PS. It's not related, but 23:59:60 broke the 30 Gb Zunes. Silly Microsoft!

Steven Black wrote:
> Now, when you wrote 'midnight GMT tomorrow' on Tuesday, did you mean
> Wednesday 00:00 GMT -- which was actually midnight tomorrow when you
> wrote this (on Tuesday) or did you mean shortly after 23:59 GMT on
> Wednesday, which is actually Thursday 00:00 GMT?
>
> You wrote it to mean 00:00 GMT Wednesday, which has already elapsed.
>
> The site says it goes offline at 23:59:59 GMT March 4th, which means on
> midnight Thursday (the 5th) it will no longer be available.
>
> Remember: Midnight == 00:00 == start of the day
>
> If more people used ISO time this would be less of an issue.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
>
> With ISO time, you could have said "tomorrow at 24:00 the link goes
> down."
>
> I'm sorry. This is another pet peeve of mine.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:19:22PM -0500, Barry Schatz wrote:
>
>> Linux Format is offering issue 116 for free (as in beer) on their website via
>> BitTorrent. The link will be gone at midnight GMT tomorrow (today, depending
>> on when you read this).
>>
>> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>>
>> There are torrents for high and low quality versions, as well as a torrent for
>> the dvd included with the print version. Better get started!
>>
>> -Barry
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>
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Re: [BLUG] How do you like to get rid of terminal corruption?

Quoting Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org>:

> Ok, just kidding. I'm curious though, how do you usually like to get
> rid of terminal corruption? Do you just close the terminal or are you
> daring and try to reverse it by cat'ing out /dev/urandom or /dev/sda?
> Sometimes I'll try cat'ing /dev/urandom, but something makes me think
> that its dangerous to do that. Anyone know?

What does cat /dev/urandom acheive? Doesn't that just say spew random
garbage? Is it the homeopathic method? :)


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Re: [BLUG] Linux Format issue 116 available for free

Now, when you wrote 'midnight GMT tomorrow' on Tuesday, did you mean
Wednesday 00:00 GMT -- which was actually midnight tomorrow when you
wrote this (on Tuesday) or did you mean shortly after 23:59 GMT on
Wednesday, which is actually Thursday 00:00 GMT?

You wrote it to mean 00:00 GMT Wednesday, which has already elapsed.

The site says it goes offline at 23:59:59 GMT March 4th, which means on
midnight Thursday (the 5th) it will no longer be available.

Remember: Midnight == 00:00 == start of the day

If more people used ISO time this would be less of an issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

With ISO time, you could have said "tomorrow at 24:00 the link goes
down."

I'm sorry. This is another pet peeve of mine.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:19:22PM -0500, Barry Schatz wrote:
> Linux Format is offering issue 116 for free (as in beer) on their website via
> BitTorrent. The link will be gone at midnight GMT tomorrow (today, depending
> on when you read this).
>
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>
> There are torrents for high and low quality versions, as well as a torrent for
> the dvd included with the print version. Better get started!
>
> -Barry
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug

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