Re: [BLUG] What have you done with Linux lately?

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:02:29PM GMT, Gillis, Chad [rcgillis@indiana.edu] said the following:
> Quoting Barry Schatz <sorbetninja@gmail.com>:
>
> Does anyone have settings in their window manager/desktop so that it
> doesn't raise a window when the window gets focus? In other words,
> whichever window's on the top stays on top even if you go and click on
> another window or start typing in another window.
>
Not sure about KDE, but Gnome has this feature. Its actually set by
default to not raise the window if it gets focus, but you have to turn
on "give window focus when mouse moves over it" for it to work the way
you expect it too. Its a pretty popular feature so I'm guessing KDE and
others will have it too.

I can't believe you're still using FVWM. There isn't anything wrong
with that, but I figured almost everyone had migrated. I migrated once
virtual desktop support was good in the desktop WMs. Do you still have
to restart the window manager in order to update your config file
settings with FVWM?

Bottom posted for your pleasure.

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Re: [BLUG] What have you done with Linux lately?

Gillis, Chad wrote:
> Quoting Barry Schatz <sorbetninja@gmail.com>:
>> My current adventure is upgrading my tower (desktop) to Kde 4.2.
>> -Barry
>
> I think this question is a ways out in left field, but we're on the
> topic of desktops, and this is something I've been wondering.
>
> Does anyone have settings in their window manager/desktop so that it
> doesn't raise a window when the window gets focus? In other words,
> whichever window's on the top stays on top even if you go and click on
> another window or start typing in another window.
>
> I have that set up in my window manager right now and have kind of
> gotten used to it. The window manager I'm using right now is fvwm. I
> originally thought it would be fun to learn and customize for the heck
> of it but I do it rarely enough that in the gaps between doing it I
> forget what I've learnt so I haven't gotten very far. I'm thinking of
> trying out one of the big desktops, but was wondering about this
> doesn't-raise-on-focus feature.
>
Officially, it's called "Focus stealing prevention" and it's an option
in most major window managers. I couldn't tell you where to find it, but
it should be there. Well, I can find it in Kde, but only because that's
what I use. I'd be happy to help you get set up on one of the heavy
desktop environments if you like.

-Barry
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Re: [BLUG] What have you done with Linux lately?

Quoting Barry Schatz <sorbetninja@gmail.com>:
> My current adventure is upgrading my tower (desktop) to Kde 4.2.
> -Barry

I think this question is a ways out in left field, but we're on the
topic of desktops, and this is something I've been wondering.

Does anyone have settings in their window manager/desktop so that it
doesn't raise a window when the window gets focus? In other words,
whichever window's on the top stays on top even if you go and click on
another window or start typing in another window.

I have that set up in my window manager right now and have kind of
gotten used to it. The window manager I'm using right now is fvwm. I
originally thought it would be fun to learn and customize for the heck
of it but I do it rarely enough that in the gaps between doing it I
forget what I've learnt so I haven't gotten very far. I'm thinking of
trying out one of the big desktops, but was wondering about this
doesn't-raise-on-focus feature.

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Re: [BLUG] What have you done with Linux lately?

I'll bite. I checked out the latest version (0.10.2) of Stellarium
(Astronomy software) on Ubuntu 9.04 and its much improved over the last
version I used. It now has a better menu system, configuration windows,
etc. Someone basically went in and did a facelift. You should check it
out if you are into stargazing. Also, version 1.5 of Neverball and
Neverputt come with a lot of new levels.

I've also been using Wine a lot recently. One interesting thing was
that I bought a MIDI enabled keyboard recently so that I could play it
with software instruments. Not only was I able to run Reason music
software through Wine, but I could route MIDI to it and get the keyboard
to play the virtual instruments in Reason on Linux. I think its really
cool when stuff like that works.

Mark

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 06:34:17PM GMT, Barry Schatz [sorbetninja@gmail.com] said the following:
> Well, I know we have members. (174 officially on the list and most
> replied to my spam)
>
> We need discussions! What have you done with Linux or other free
> software lately? Any reinstalls? Who switched distros in the last six
> months and why? Was it worth it? Even if you only have time for a couple
> sentences, we all can benefit from your experiences.
>
> I'll start.
>
> My current adventure is upgrading my tower (desktop) to Kde 4.2. I use
> Kde 4 on my laptops because I don't mind if I experimental packages
> break them, but my tower is strictly Debian testing. Except for
> Ktorrent, I didn't use any Kde4 apps on my tower until a couple nights ago.
>
> Due to a very custom setup, I had to use a combination of apt-get,
> deborphan, and apt-show-versions to get to where Kaboom would import my
> settings. Even with my configuration migrated to Kde4, it needed a lot
> of tweaking. Settings optimized for Kde3 won't feel right in Kde4. I
> ended up going through all the config screens anyway. The defaults are
> perfectly usable, but I like to configure everything to work best for /me/.
>
> I didn't save a screenshot before the migration, and I wish I did (I
> would like to compare old and new). The layout of everything was simple
> and intuitive (for me). The new layout is nice too, though. Everything
> feels clean and fresh. Desktop effects work better than before, and
> transparency doesn't have gross memory leaks. I lost my convenient app
> launchers in the transition, but krunner is so slick now that I don't
> feel like recreating them.
>
> If you're interested in Kde4, I recommend it highly. The 4.0 and 4.1
> releases were rough, but 4.2 is ready for human consumption. If you want
> more detail on using Debian's apt tools (or using Debian in general),
> I'm happy to help.
>
> -Barry
>
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[BLUG] What have you done with Linux lately?

Well, I know we have members. (174 officially on the list and most
replied to my spam)

We need discussions! What have you done with Linux or other free
software lately? Any reinstalls? Who switched distros in the last six
months and why? Was it worth it? Even if you only have time for a couple
sentences, we all can benefit from your experiences.

I'll start.

My current adventure is upgrading my tower (desktop) to Kde 4.2. I use
Kde 4 on my laptops because I don't mind if I experimental packages
break them, but my tower is strictly Debian testing. Except for
Ktorrent, I didn't use any Kde4 apps on my tower until a couple nights ago.

Due to a very custom setup, I had to use a combination of apt-get,
deborphan, and apt-show-versions to get to where Kaboom would import my
settings. Even with my configuration migrated to Kde4, it needed a lot
of tweaking. Settings optimized for Kde3 won't feel right in Kde4. I
ended up going through all the config screens anyway. The defaults are
perfectly usable, but I like to configure everything to work best for /me/.

I didn't save a screenshot before the migration, and I wish I did (I
would like to compare old and new). The layout of everything was simple
and intuitive (for me). The new layout is nice too, though. Everything
feels clean and fresh. Desktop effects work better than before, and
transparency doesn't have gross memory leaks. I lost my convenient app
launchers in the transition, but krunner is so slick now that I don't
feel like recreating them.

If you're interested in Kde4, I recommend it highly. The 4.0 and 4.1
releases were rough, but 4.2 is ready for human consumption. If you want
more detail on using Debian's apt tools (or using Debian in general),
I'm happy to help.

-Barry

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[BLUG] Re: Ping - Ack

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There has been no activity on the list or in the users group in a long
time. How many people are still on the list? If you get this, reply to
the list so I know you're out there.

-Barry

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Re: [BLUG] Ping

On Fri, 29 May 2009, Steven Black wrote:

> Some of us don't always understand just how far out there we
> really are. This is to say, we may percieve ourselves as being
> less knowledgable than we really are. (Also, if we see a wider
> range of questions, then a wider range of people can answer
> them.)

Very true -- even my understanding grows, however slowly,
as I learn.

> As an example, I had the privilege only fairly recently of "out
> geeking" my own father. I never thought that would happen, and
> *I* thought the topic at hand was only moderately geeky...

Not to speak for your father, whom I know nothing of,
but most of us find eventually that keeping up just takes more
effort that we're willing to make any longer. We go on moving
forward, or upward, or whatever -- but more and more slowly, and
of course the whippersnappers outrun us ever the longer the more.
The Wheel turns ....

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Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

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