Saturday, December 18, 2010

Re: [BLUG] Fwd: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC

I'm with on this Jeremy,
I say, how me the code that proves this..

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jeremy L. Gaddis <jlgaddis@gnu.org> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:46:04PM -0500, dosman wrote:
> I'm sure everyone will hear about this by tomorrow morning, but heads
> up.

note that, fwiw, everyone mentioned by perry in that email has publicly
denied anything of the sort.

it will be interesting to follow as the code and checkins are being
reviewed, but i am (personally) inclined to believe it's a bunch of bs.

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Re: [BLUG] Fwd: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:46:04PM -0500, dosman wrote:
> I'm sure everyone will hear about this by tomorrow morning, but heads
> up.

note that, fwiw, everyone mentioned by perry in that email has publicly
denied anything of the sort.

it will be interesting to follow as the code and checkins are being
reviewed, but i am (personally) inclined to believe it's a bunch of bs.

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Re: [BLUG] Fwd: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC

Just curious, does anyone on the list use OpenBSD? I know some of you
use FreeBSD. What I'm worried about is if there are also backdoors in
OpenSSH.


On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 04:46:04AM GMT, dosman [dosman@packetsniffers.org] said the following:
> I'm sure everyone will hear about this by tomorrow morning, but heads
> up.
>
> -dosman
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
> > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:18:27 -0700
> > From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
> > To: security-announce@openbsd.org
> >
> > I have received a mail regarding the early development of the OpenBSD
> > IPSEC stack. It is alleged that some ex-developers (and the company
> > they worked for) accepted US government money to put backdoors into
> > our network stack, in particular the IPSEC stack. Around 2000-2001.
> >
> > Since we had the first IPSEC stack available for free, large parts of
> > the code are now found in many other projects/products. Over 10
> > years, the IPSEC code has gone through many changes and fixes, so it
> > is unclear what the true impact of these allegations are.
> >
> > The mail came in privately from a person I have not talked to for
> > nearly 10 years. I refuse to become part of such a conspiracy, and
> > will not be talking to Gregory Perry about this. Therefore I am
> > making it public so that
> > (a) those who use the code can audit it for these problems,
> > (b) those that are angry at the story can take other actions,
> > (c) if it is not true, those who are being accused can defend
> > themselves.
> >
> > Of course I don't like it when my private mail is forwarded. However
> > the "little ethic" of a private mail being forwarded is much smaller
> > than the "big ethic" of government paying companies to pay open source
> > developers (a member of a community-of-friends) to insert
> > privacy-invading holes in software.
> >
> > ----
> >
> > From: Gregory Perry <Gregory.Perry@GoVirtual.tv>
> > To: "deraadt@openbsd.org" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
> > Subject: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> > Thread-Topic: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> > Thread-Index: AcuZjuF6cT4gcSmqQv+Fo3/+2m80eg==
> > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:55:25 +0000
> > Message-ID: <8D3222F9EB68474DA381831A120B1023019AC034@mbx021-e2-nj-5.exch021.domain.local
> > >
> > Accept-Language: en-US
> > Content-Language: en-US
> > X-MS-Has-Attach:
> > X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Status: RO
> >
> > Hello Theo,
> >
> > Long time no talk. If you will recall, a while back I was the CTO at
> > NETSEC and arranged funding and donations for the OpenBSD Crypto
> > Framework. At that same time I also did some consulting for the FBI,
> > for their GSA Technical Support Center, which was a cryptologic
> > reverse engineering project aimed at backdooring and implementing key
> > escrow mechanisms for smart card and other hardware-based computing
> > technologies.
> >
> > My NDA with the FBI has recently expired, and I wanted to make you
> > aware of the fact that the FBI implemented a number of backdoors and
> > side channel key leaking mechanisms into the OCF, for the express
> > purpose of monitoring the site to site VPN encryption system
> > implemented by EOUSA, the parent organization to the FBI. Jason
> > Wright and several other developers were responsible for those
> > backdoors, and you would be well advised to review any and all code
> > commits by Wright as well as the other developers he worked with
> > originating from NETSEC.
> >
> > This is also probably the reason why you lost your DARPA funding, they
> > more than likely caught wind of the fact that those backdoors were
> > present and didn't want to create any derivative products based upon
> > the same.
> >
> > This is also why several inside FBI folks have been recently
> > advocating the use of OpenBSD for VPN and firewalling implementations
> > in virtualized environments, for example Scott Lowe is a well
> > respected author in virtualization circles who also happens top be on
> > the FBI payroll, and who has also recently published several tutorials
> > for the use of OpenBSD VMs in enterprise VMware vSphere deployments.
> >
> > Merry Christmas...
> >
> > Gregory Perry
> > Chief Executive Officer
> > GoVirtual Education
> >
> > "VMware Training Products & Services"
> >
> > 540-645-6955 x111 (local)
> > 866-354-7369 x111 (toll free)
> > 540-931-9099 (mobile)
> > 877-648-0555 (fax)
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/GregoryVPerry
> > http://www.facebook.com/GoVirtual
> >
>
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Tuesday, December 14, 2010

[BLUG] Fwd: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC

I'm sure everyone will hear about this by tomorrow morning, but heads
up.

-dosman

Begin forwarded message:

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:18:27 -0700
> From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
> To: security-announce@openbsd.org
>
> I have received a mail regarding the early development of the OpenBSD
> IPSEC stack. It is alleged that some ex-developers (and the company
> they worked for) accepted US government money to put backdoors into
> our network stack, in particular the IPSEC stack. Around 2000-2001.
>
> Since we had the first IPSEC stack available for free, large parts of
> the code are now found in many other projects/products. Over 10
> years, the IPSEC code has gone through many changes and fixes, so it
> is unclear what the true impact of these allegations are.
>
> The mail came in privately from a person I have not talked to for
> nearly 10 years. I refuse to become part of such a conspiracy, and
> will not be talking to Gregory Perry about this. Therefore I am
> making it public so that
> (a) those who use the code can audit it for these problems,
> (b) those that are angry at the story can take other actions,
> (c) if it is not true, those who are being accused can defend
> themselves.
>
> Of course I don't like it when my private mail is forwarded. However
> the "little ethic" of a private mail being forwarded is much smaller
> than the "big ethic" of government paying companies to pay open source
> developers (a member of a community-of-friends) to insert
> privacy-invading holes in software.
>
> ----
>
> From: Gregory Perry <Gregory.Perry@GoVirtual.tv>
> To: "deraadt@openbsd.org" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
> Subject: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> Thread-Topic: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> Thread-Index: AcuZjuF6cT4gcSmqQv+Fo3/+2m80eg==
> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:55:25 +0000
> Message-ID: <8D3222F9EB68474DA381831A120B1023019AC034@mbx021-e2-nj-5.exch021.domain.local
> >
> Accept-Language: en-US
> Content-Language: en-US
> X-MS-Has-Attach:
> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Status: RO
>
> Hello Theo,
>
> Long time no talk. If you will recall, a while back I was the CTO at
> NETSEC and arranged funding and donations for the OpenBSD Crypto
> Framework. At that same time I also did some consulting for the FBI,
> for their GSA Technical Support Center, which was a cryptologic
> reverse engineering project aimed at backdooring and implementing key
> escrow mechanisms for smart card and other hardware-based computing
> technologies.
>
> My NDA with the FBI has recently expired, and I wanted to make you
> aware of the fact that the FBI implemented a number of backdoors and
> side channel key leaking mechanisms into the OCF, for the express
> purpose of monitoring the site to site VPN encryption system
> implemented by EOUSA, the parent organization to the FBI. Jason
> Wright and several other developers were responsible for those
> backdoors, and you would be well advised to review any and all code
> commits by Wright as well as the other developers he worked with
> originating from NETSEC.
>
> This is also probably the reason why you lost your DARPA funding, they
> more than likely caught wind of the fact that those backdoors were
> present and didn't want to create any derivative products based upon
> the same.
>
> This is also why several inside FBI folks have been recently
> advocating the use of OpenBSD for VPN and firewalling implementations
> in virtualized environments, for example Scott Lowe is a well
> respected author in virtualization circles who also happens top be on
> the FBI payroll, and who has also recently published several tutorials
> for the use of OpenBSD VMs in enterprise VMware vSphere deployments.
>
> Merry Christmas...
>
> Gregory Perry
> Chief Executive Officer
> GoVirtual Education
>
> "VMware Training Products & Services"
>
> 540-645-6955 x111 (local)
> 866-354-7369 x111 (toll free)
> 540-931-9099 (mobile)
> 877-648-0555 (fax)
>
> http://www.facebook.com/GregoryVPerry
> http://www.facebook.com/GoVirtual
>

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

just a trick i had to do to stop crashes on my system.  straight from the dev

echo "default_driver=alsa" >> ~/.libao

cheers

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I've got the page bookmarked to take a look later--the clean editing screen, especially on a netbook, looks terrific.


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Lord Drachenblut <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier.  it is a full screen text editor basically.  very light weight written in qt.  the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.

cheers


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BLUG mailing list
>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
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>
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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

Yes, I've got the page bookmarked to take a look later--the clean editing screen, especially on a netbook, looks terrific.


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Lord Drachenblut <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier.  it is a full screen text editor basically.  very light weight written in qt.  the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.

cheers


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BLUG mailing list
>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Krenz
>> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
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>

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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier.  it is a full screen text editor basically.  very light weight written in qt.  the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.

cheers

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
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