Re: [BLUG] Trying something new

Yes, I think heat is doing in most of my drives that are failing. Of course,
you might hope that a laptop could take a little heat.
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Re: [BLUG] Trying something new

I've certainly had the least luck with WD drives
(five fails before three years) in PC uses and swear
by scsi as well. I'm pretty hard on drives and used
to get them worryingly hot routinely until I started
putting a little thermal paste on the sides when
mounting them in a permanent home. It may just be
superstition but it keeps even my 15K cheetah cool
during hard swap times w/o the use of a specific hard
drive fan. :D

--- Simón Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/11/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
> > Its almost like clockwork on a server that good
> drives only last 5
> > years. Its also a wear thing not a time thing.
> I've been able to boot
> > up old Macs with IDE drives from the 80s 15 years
> later after they were
> > built so its not bit rot that is doing it.
>

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Re: [BLUG] Trying something new

On 8/11/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
> Its almost like clockwork on a server that good drives only last 5
> years. Its also a wear thing not a time thing. I've been able to boot
> up old Macs with IDE drives from the 80s 15 years later after they were
> built so its not bit rot that is doing it.

<knocking on wood>I have, personally, never had a hard disk
fail.</knocking on wood>

Only floppy disks.

Though, at my new job, we're going through renovations. They (the
contractors) decided we (the Technology Department) had to move our
office/server room into the new area because they were demolishing the
old area.

It rained. In our new office. On our production servers.

"Oh," they said, "well, we'll fix that."

It rained again. They hadn't "fixed that". I'm told the damage is
worse (I was in Kansas for a funeral when it struck, my boss called to
tell me not to bother coming in on Friday).

Power has been shut off to that whole area of the building since
Thursday. Total Technology Blackout. Monday morning we go in to find
out what can be salvaged.

I can pretty much guarantee I'll see rare and exotic breeds of
equipment failure I'd never even dreamed of.

This job is proving to be interesting.

Greetings from the Northern Fort.

Simón

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Re: [BLUG] Trying something new

Sometimes a manufacturer will just have a bad batch.

Back in the mid-nineties we had a RAID5 array that lost another
drive before we got the replacement drive installed. (Admittedly,
we were not running with a hot spare. Though I don't know how
common hot spares were in 1996.) It turned out the manufacturer
just had a bad batch and it was a common problem for one run.

However it is definitely true that the higher speeds produce
more heat and wear. I remember in the 80's getting hand-me-down
drives that just never seemed to quit. Of course, that was
back in the days of full-height full-width drives.

The first time I heard about drives which failed due to over-heat
I was startled, as it seemed to odd. At this point, though, heat
is a major killer of drives.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 02:36:01PM -0400, Paul Purdom wrote:
> I have also been having a lot of hard drive problems lately. Does anyone on
> the list know of reliable ratings of hard drive reliablies?
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Re: [BLUG] Trying something new

Mark Krenz wrote:
> Ok, so what brands are people swearing by these days?
>
> I've used WD, Maxtor, Seagate, Hitachi and IBM over the past 10 years,
> although the last two very little. I've just found WD to be much more
> realiable. I'm always regretting it when I choose a different brand.

On SCSI I prefer Hitachi and Seagate, though know ppl who have had luck
with Fujitsu, I just haven't used them myself. Last 2 drives (PATA)
that I bought for myself were Seagate and Maxtor, and neither has given
me an ounce of trouble. Now that I think about it, I only have the
Seagate now, the other drive was traded away.

Scott Blaydes
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Re: [BLUG] Trying something new

Ok, so what brands are people swearing by these days?

I've used WD, Maxtor, Seagate, Hitachi and IBM over the past 10 years,
although the last two very little. I've just found WD to be much more
realiable. I'm always regretting it when I choose a different brand.

I wish I knew more about how each drive fails instead of just seeing
read errors and without having to send it off to have it diagnosed.
Then I would have more information. For all I know, its because they
are trying to pack so much more on a drive that there is very little
tolerance for error. If the drive isn't perfect out the door, it won't
last 5 years.

Its almost like clockwork on a server that good drives only last 5
years. Its also a wear thing not a time thing. I've been able to boot
up old Macs with IDE drives from the 80s 15 years later after they were
built so its not bit rot that is doing it.

On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 12:31:32AM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:
>
> Three months is a high duty cycle for Western Digital. </me ducks>. Not
> being dead out of the box is a new feature for them. I know, I know,
> there is always someone who has had what ever brand fail while the next
> geek swears by that brand. Course I was luck enough to have my IBM 60g
> Deathstar..err Deskstar drive not fail me before 3 years of service.
> For server stuff I still swear by SCSI...but I am open-minded about SATA.
>
> Scott Blaydes
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Re: [BLUG] Trying something new

Mark Krenz wrote:
> The thing is, the drive that failed on me was a Western Digital 4000YS
> Raid Edition, it was meant for high duty cycles. Of course, I bought 3
> of them so for only one of three to fail in the last 6 months isn't
> unheard of, but its still not cool when it happens so soon.
>

Three months is a high duty cycle for Western Digital. </me ducks>. Not
being dead out of the box is a new feature for them. I know, I know,
there is always someone who has had what ever brand fail while the next
geek swears by that brand. Course I was luck enough to have my IBM 60g
Deathstar..err Deskstar drive not fail me before 3 years of service.
For server stuff I still swear by SCSI...but I am open-minded about SATA.

Scott Blaydes

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