Sunday, January 27, 2008

Re: [BLUG] Ubuntu 7.10 as domU in Xen

Hey David,

Are you trying to install Ubuntu as a dom0? Is your iso image perhaps
corrupt? Hehe, just kidding. I know just how annoying it is when
clueless people in forums and IRC channels ask those kinds of questions
just to ask them. What's worse is that they make it look like your
question has been answered when it really hasn't.

Its interesting that this isn't working in full virtualization mode.
I thought you could run unmodified OSes in full virt. I don't use full
virt myself, but I've also had a problem getting para virt Ubuntu images
to work. There is something about the kernel that Ubuntu uses that
makes it different from other distributions. I've had the same problem
with Fedora. From the research I did, I got the impression that there
are people working on making Ubuntu more Xen friendly, so you might have
to just wait until then. I know I probably will have to.

Where is your Ubuntu domU failing? I think mine was having a kernel
panic when it tried to mount the root filesystem read only on boot or
somewhere around there. I'd have to load it up again to see.

I'm actually happy to see someone else on the list using Xen in this
way. I'll have someone to confer with.

Mark

On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 09:05:40AM GMT, davmoo@gibbousmoon.com [davmoo@gibbousmoon.com] said the following:
> [My apologies if everyone gets two copies of this...on the first send I used the
> wrong email address and not the one I have subscribed to the list. Mr or Ms
> Moderator, feel free to delete that one unsent if you'd like.]
>
> And lo, another long-time lurker uncloaks in order to ask a question...
>
> I've got Xen running on Dell server with RHEL5.1. I've got several
> CentOS and Mandriva virtual machines running, so I know Xen itself is
> working fine. For a client who has a preference for Ubuntu, I'm now
> trying to create a virtual machine running 7.10 (since I'm not an
> Ubuntu person I can't remember for sure, but I think that's a Gutsy
> Gibbon). When I start up the VM for the install, it hangs at
> "Loading...", and then dies on that third dot.
>
> Is there some special trick to installing Ubuntu as a domU?
>
> Oh, since this can be important to know, I probably should mention
> that this server is not sitting on my desk. I do not have local
> access to the hardware. Its some 600 miles away. Everything must be
> done remotely, or else the first step for gaining local access is "buy
> an airplane ticket". This is probably a good thing, since it keeps me
> from attacking the server with a hammer ;-)
>
> I've asked this in several Ubuntu specific forums. So before anyone
> answers here, and pardon me for sounding like a flaming asshole, but
> here are the questions I do NOT need answered that everyone in those
> forums insisted on answering instead of dealing with my actual
> question. I'm not trying to install Ubuntu as dom0. I'm not trying
> to install RHEL5 as dom0 or domU. I'm not having a problem installing
> Xen on RHEL5.1, I've already got it working. I know the difference
> between para-virtualized and fully virtualized...my current VMs are
> fully virtualized, and that's what I was going for with an Ubuntu VM.
> I know my Ubuntu ISO is not corrupt. Again, I apologize for sounding
> like an ass, but I don't need those questions answered or topics dealt
> with.
>
> And for lack of a better idea on how to refresh the memory of the one
> person who has met me once in person, Mark, I'm the dude who bought
> the CRT monitors from you a while back and met you in the Best Buy
> parking lot in the black convertible.
>
> David
> davmoo@gibbousmoon.com
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Re: [BLUG] New Dell Ubuntu Laptop

And second surprise -- on the Thinkpad, everything works once you tell
the power management subsystem to unload USB modules before
suspending. Blah.

Incidentally, Lenovo is following Dell's footsteps and preloading
Linux on the T61 too -- or should I say, re-starting IBM's
Linux-on-Thinkpad initiative. Hopefully they'll do as good a job as
Dell does.

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On Jan 27, 2008 5:45 PM, Matthew Patenaude <mnglfiddle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, now. Surprise! Suspend does in fact work, and works nicely too. :)
>
> Matthew Patenaude
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 9:49 PM, Matthew Patenaude <mnglfiddle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 24, 2008 3:39 PM, Michel Salim <michel.sylvan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Jan 24, 2008 1:58 PM, Matthew Patenaude <mnglfiddle@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd be interested to know if the hardward all lasts. I have known too
> many
> > > > people whose Dell laptops haven't held up very long, so I have always
> been
> > > > to afraid to try one out. Other than that, I am glad they have given a
> nod
> > > > to Linux. I hope more follow suit. I do think the Thinkpad is a better
> bet
> > > > quality wise.
> > >
> > > Most of the problematic Dells have been Inspirons, if memory serves.
> > > The Latitudes, and the XPS, have tended to be better-constructed
> > > (though alas, the last really-attractive-looking Latitude design was
> > > from at least five year back).
> > >
> > > I thought exactly the same way you did when I bought my Thinkpad.
> > > There are several related bugs on Fedora's bugzilla documenting the
> > > 'bounce when suspending' problem -- really annoying. Though in
> > > fairness, a friend has similar problems on a Latitude 830/Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > Whenever Asus / Pixel Qi / whoever design a laptop from the grounds up
> > > to run Linux, I'd be really happy. Right now, it seems that Dell is
> > > the closest alternative..
> > >
> > > So, Matt, is suspend working for you?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michel Salim
> > > http://hircus.jaiku.com/
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> > Well, to be honest, I haven't needed to try it yet. I'll try it and let
> you know.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
>
>

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Re: [BLUG] New Dell Ubuntu Laptop

Well, now. Surprise! Suspend does in fact work, and works nicely too. :)

Matthew Patenaude

On Jan 24, 2008 9:49 PM, Matthew Patenaude <mnglfiddle@gmail.com> wrote:


On Jan 24, 2008 3:39 PM, Michel Salim <michel.sylvan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 2008 1:58 PM, Matthew Patenaude <mnglfiddle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'd be interested to know if the hardward all lasts. I have known too many
> people whose Dell laptops haven't held up very long, so I have always been
> to afraid to try one out. Other than that, I am glad they have given a nod
> to Linux. I hope more follow suit. I do think the Thinkpad is a better bet
> quality wise.

Most of the problematic Dells have been Inspirons, if memory serves.
The Latitudes, and the XPS, have tended to be better-constructed
(though alas, the last really-attractive-looking Latitude design was
from at least five year back).

I thought exactly the same way you did when I bought my Thinkpad.
There are several related bugs on Fedora's bugzilla documenting the
'bounce when suspending' problem -- really annoying. Though in
fairness, a friend has similar problems on a Latitude 830/Ubuntu.

Whenever Asus / Pixel Qi / whoever design a laptop from the grounds up
to run Linux, I'd be really happy. Right now, it seems that Dell is
the closest alternative..

So, Matt, is suspend working for you?


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Well, to be honest, I haven't needed to try it yet. I'll try it and let you know.

Matthew