BLUG: 2007

Monday, December 31, 2007

[BLUG] Any ideas as to another place for meetings?

Does anyone know of a good place to meet with the following ammenities?

* Open til 10pm or later. (or perhaps its just ok to stay til that time)
* Can hold 20+ people comfortably.
* Located in Bloomington
* Internet access (preferably a wall jack and wireless because some
people bring in their desktop computers)
* Would be nice if it had a projector screen, but not absolutely necessary.

I know there are a lot of meeting places at IU like this, but I'm not
affiliated with IU anymore so there would need to be someone dedicated
to reserving the rooms. Also, what would that mean for internet access
if you aren't a student?

Any suggestions are welcome.

--
Mark Krenz
Bloomington Linux Users Group
http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
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[BLUG] Time for a discussion on time

I'm sorry but I have a problem with this:

date +"date: %Y %m %d, Standard week number: %W of %Y, ISO week number %V of %G"
date: 2007 12 31, Standard week number: 53 of 2007, ISO week number 01 of 2008

IMHO, week numbers should only refer to the current year because
that's really the only place they are useful, in dividing up the year.
Obviously in human terms, this week is made up of two different years,
but in computer terms, that is too confusing. If I run a command that
returns 200801, that tells me that its already 2008, but its not.

Thoughts?

Monday, December 24, 2007

[BLUG] video on new network model

Linux-friendly scientist and contributor to tcpdump and traceroute tools
gives a talk at Google, "A New Way to Look at Networking."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6972678839686672840&q=engedu

Some ideas presented in the talk about his new network model:
* data-oriented "dissemination" network instead of node-oriented internet
* every chunk of data on the network is associated with a name, not an
IP address (the data matters, not the supplier)
* data is decentralized and ubiquitous; data doesn't live at one
specific location
* literally anything that can move bits can be a part of the network
* no more network congestion
* security, trust and integrity are derived from the data itself, not
from where it supposedly originated or the channel it arrived on
* eliminating phishing, pharming and spam would be trivial
* SSL would become irrelevant
* finer grained control over traffic, including a way to prioritize
incoming traffic - example: email and gaming traffic in one household
can be arranged so that email always gets delivered first before any
gaming traffic starts or continues. currently there's no way to do this.
* today's protocols are designed for a point-to-point conversation
between two applications on two machines. instead, the new network
should distribute data much like a radio tower would broadcast radio
signals ((multi)point-to-multipoint); instead of many copies of the same
data going to recipients one at a time, a single copy goes to every
recipient simultaneously.

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Saturday, December 22, 2007

[BLUG] January meeting (Blender)

I'll be doing the January presentation on Blender, the popular 3d
modeling, rendering and animation tool (http://www.blender.org/). I
think I could do a pretty good job on it because rendered 3d graphics is
one of my long time major interests in computers.

I'd like to do it on a different day and possibily in a different
venue. The normal 7-9pm BLUG time doesn't lend itself to having a lot
of time to setup and tear down and take questions so we need a venue
where we can be there from like 7-11 or midnight even. I don't intend
to take up that much time, but it would be nice to have it in case.

Does anyone know of another place where we could meet? Maybe we could
just meet on a Saturday afternoon in the library and that would give us
more time, but I'm not sure how well a time like that works for you and
the natural light outside would make the projection a little washed out.

Re: [BLUG] Announcement

Thank you very much Scott for taking over for BLUG over the past year.
Many of us appretiate it and wish you well in Texas. I wanted to
schedule a night for us to all go out to Nick's or something to see
Scott off right. I know you are pretty busy Scott so its up to you.

Mark

On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 01:41:52PM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:
> Dear fellow Linux geeks,
> My wife and I are moving back to Texas around Jan 1st due to her
> health. I won't be complaining about the warmer weather though. Mark
> Krenz has agreed to take over the role of President for the time being
> until a more permanent President/Dictator can be found.
>
> I would like to thank everyone for the great time I have had being
> involved in BLUG. While I will still be on the mailing lists, I will
> miss seeing everyone in person at the various events. My hope is to
> take some of the energy and ideas that I have gotten from BLUG members
> and use it to help grow the West Texas LUG in Abilene.
>
> Now, a round of applause for your new President Mark Krenz. <cue cheesy
> hail to the chief music>
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Blaydes
>
>
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Re: [BLUG] another call out for Unix sysadmin work

Damnit, I didn't mean to send this to the list. Darn reply to and I'm
not quite awake yet. Everyone just ignore this message. Thank you.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 01:45:06PM GMT, Mark Krenz [mark@slugbug.org] said the following:
>
> Joe, aren't they looking to get rid of the messaging team? I'm not
> sure why they would need to replace you. How many others are on the
> team right now?
>
> I'm somewhat interested because the messaging team is where my mentors
> at Kiva came from. But its also kinda strange timing and I doubt I'd be
> there for long if I signed on. If you could give me more information
> about what the climate is like there after Brian Wheeler become VP, that
> would help.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 02:59:55AM GMT, Joe Auty [joe@netmusician.org] said the following:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I thought I'd put another call out for Unix sysadmins... We are
> > becoming desperate as we only have one applicant. Please apply if you
> > are looking for work and have a decent Unix background - the pay is
> > good for IU.
> >
> > Contact me if you have any questions...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - -----------
> > Joe Auty
> > NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
> > http://www.netmusician.org
> > joe@netmusician.org
> >
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Re: [BLUG] another call out for Unix sysadmin work

Joe, aren't they looking to get rid of the messaging team? I'm not
sure why they would need to replace you. How many others are on the
team right now?

I'm somewhat interested because the messaging team is where my mentors
at Kiva came from. But its also kinda strange timing and I doubt I'd be
there for long if I signed on. If you could give me more information
about what the climate is like there after Brian Wheeler become VP, that
would help.

Mark

On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 02:59:55AM GMT, Joe Auty [joe@netmusician.org] said the following:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello,
>
> I thought I'd put another call out for Unix sysadmins... We are
> becoming desperate as we only have one applicant. Please apply if you
> are looking for work and have a decent Unix background - the pay is
> good for IU.
>
> Contact me if you have any questions...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - -----------
> Joe Auty
> NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
> http://www.netmusician.org
> joe@netmusician.org
>
>
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> =qMwN
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> _______________________________________________
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>

Friday, December 21, 2007

[BLUG] another call out for Unix sysadmin work

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello,

I thought I'd put another call out for Unix sysadmins... We are
becoming desperate as we only have one applicant. Please apply if you
are looking for work and have a decent Unix background - the pay is
good for IU.

Contact me if you have any questions...

- -----------
Joe Auty
NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
http://www.netmusician.org
joe@netmusician.org

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Re: [BLUG] Announcement

Good luck to you, Scott! BTW, thanks for getting me interested in BLUG.

Dave Cooley
dcooley@kiva.net

Scott Blaydes wrote:
> Dear fellow Linux geeks,
> My wife and I are moving back to Texas around Jan 1st due to her
> health. I won't be complaining about the warmer weather though. Mark
> Krenz has agreed to take over the role of President for the time being
> until a more permanent President/Dictator can be found.
>
> I would like to thank everyone for the great time I have had being
> involved in BLUG. While I will still be on the mailing lists, I will
> miss seeing everyone in person at the various events. My hope is to
> take some of the energy and ideas that I have gotten from BLUG members
> and use it to help grow the West Texas LUG in Abilene.
>
> Now, a round of applause for your new President Mark Krenz. <cue
> cheesy hail to the chief music>
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Blaydes
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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Re: [BLUG] Announcement

Good luck on your journeys!

I hope your wife's health improves.

Cheers,
Steven

On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 08:41:52AM -0500, Scott Blaydes wrote:
> Dear fellow Linux geeks,
> My wife and I are moving back to Texas around Jan 1st due to her
> health. I won't be complaining about the warmer weather though. Mark
> Krenz has agreed to take over the role of President for the time being
> until a more permanent President/Dictator can be found.
>
> I would like to thank everyone for the great time I have had being
> involved in BLUG. While I will still be on the mailing lists, I will
> miss seeing everyone in person at the various events. My hope is to
> take some of the energy and ideas that I have gotten from BLUG members
> and use it to help grow the West Texas LUG in Abilene.
>
> Now, a round of applause for your new President Mark Krenz. <cue cheesy
> hail to the chief music>
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Blaydes
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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[BLUG] Announcement

Dear fellow Linux geeks,
My wife and I are moving back to Texas around Jan 1st due to her
health. I won't be complaining about the warmer weather though. Mark
Krenz has agreed to take over the role of President for the time being
until a more permanent President/Dictator can be found.

I would like to thank everyone for the great time I have had being
involved in BLUG. While I will still be on the mailing lists, I will
miss seeing everyone in person at the various events. My hope is to
take some of the energy and ideas that I have gotten from BLUG members
and use it to help grow the West Texas LUG in Abilene.

Now, a round of applause for your new President Mark Krenz. <cue cheesy
hail to the chief music>

Thank you,
Scott Blaydes

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Thursday, December 13, 2007

[BLUG] Looking to hire Unix admins

Hello,

The group where I'm working in currently at IU is looking for two new
mail admins:

http://www.indiana.edu/~uitshr/services/jobs/PrinSoft_Messaging_13648_internal.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~uitshr/services/jobs/Messaging_4981.html

(the first job posting is internal to IU only)

There is much that can be said about the job, but in short we are at
the top of the Unix geek totem pole here, and the pay here is just
about as high as you'll get at an IU job doing technical stuff. That
being said, don't let this scare you off from applying. It is very
rare that we find a candidate that is a just-add-water solution that
perfectly fits these requirements, so please apply apply apply!

Please let me know if you have any questions I can answer, I'd prefer
to do so privately :)

-----------
Joe Auty
NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
http://www.netmusician.org
joe@netmusician.org

Wednesday, December 12, 2007

Re: [BLUG] OLPC

The one from Red Hat hasn't been updates in over 6 months.

A much more up-to-date one is available. There is an Xubuntu based one
that works on all the hardware we've tested it on
<http://startx.ro/sugar/> (which is neat because if you log out of the
X session they log you into by default, you change the session and log
directly into Sugar, otherwise you can run the emulator from the
Applications menu from within XFCE).

And there's a more recent one, based directly on the Red Hat builds it
seems, which we HAVEN'T gotten to work on the hardware we've tested it
on. It might work for you, though:
<ftp://rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/>

Hope you have an awesome day!

Simón

On 12/11/07, adam <docpeppernuwer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As for the One Laptop Per Child project, I hopefully will have scraped together enough for one (2 of course) by 12/31 (the deadline for the buy one get one deal) and should have recieved it in time for the february meeting. Also it runs is a lightweight, redhat engineered, linux based OS called Sugar; which is available as an ISO here:

http://olpc.download.redhat.com/olpc/streams/sdk/build1/livecd/
> That's all the news from Lake Wobegon,
> Adam
>
>
>
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Tuesday, December 11, 2007

[BLUG] OLPC

As for the One Laptop Per Child project, I hopefully will have scraped together enough for one (2 of course) by 12/31 (the deadline for the buy one get one deal) and should have recieved it in time for the february meeting. Also it runs is a lightweight, redhat engineered, linux based OS called Sugar; which is available as an ISO here:

http://olpc.download.redhat.com/olpc/streams/sdk/build1/livecd/
That's all the news from Lake Wobegon,
Adam

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Monday, December 10, 2007

Re: [BLUG] December meeting

This works for me.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 03:22:25PM -0500, Dave Cooley wrote:
> What?!? It's December already? ;)
>
> Yeah, sounds like a plan to me. Seems like lots of folks are pretty
> busy this month (I know I am).
>
> Dave Cooley
> dcooley@kiva.net
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Re: [BLUG] December meeting

What?!? It's December already? ;)

Yeah, sounds like a plan to me. Seems like lots of folks are pretty
busy this month (I know I am).

Dave Cooley
dcooley@kiva.net

Scott Blaydes wrote:
> I don't know about anyone else, but the month of December is flying by
> already and I am very busy. Unless anyone has a problem with it, I am
> proposing that we cancel the December meeting and get together next month.
>
> Any opinions?
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Blaydes
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[BLUG] December meeting

I don't know about anyone else, but the month of December is flying by
already and I am very busy. Unless anyone has a problem with it, I am
proposing that we cancel the December meeting and get together next month.

Any opinions?

Thank you,
Scott Blaydes
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Tuesday, December 4, 2007

RE: [BLUG] Fwd: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers

Thanks Joe.

That was my bad, it was Matt Davy that spoke Friday. I put both events on my calendar around the same time and must not have paid too much attention.

-----Original Message-----
From: blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu [mailto:blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Auty
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:05
To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [BLUG] Fwd: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers

I think it will be recorded, I'll pass this info on to the list.

You must have somebody in mind as far as the IPv6 talk goes, that
wasn't me :)

On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Sams, Weldon wrote:

> Joe, do you know if this will be recorded? I'd like to watch, but
> I'm in a meeting at that time.
>
> By the way, nice talk on IPv6 the other day.
>
> Thanks, Weldon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu [mailto:blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joe Auty
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 17:50
> To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: [BLUG] Fwd: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I'm conducting a little seminar for web developers about Unix basics
> - sort of a "get inside the brain of a Unix sysadmin" targeted for
> web developers - many of which will likely be novices...
>
> If any of you are interested in coming, the details are below. It's
> free...
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Flynn, Robert Edward" <reflynn@INDIANA.EDU>
>> Date: December 3, 2007 1:47:22 PM GMT-05:00
>> To: IUMMUGNEWS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> Subject: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers
>> Reply-To: "Flynn, Robert Edward" <reflynn@INDIANA.EDU>
>>
>> Have you ever done an online search and found a solution that
>> involved
>> a string of incomprehensible, overwhelming Unix commands?
>> You are invited to learn some useful Unix command line tips and
>> tricks
>> that will make life as a web developer more productive and efficient.
>>
>> This meeting will focus on features of the Unix/Linux environment
>> that
>> web developers can put to use immediately, whether working
>> independently or collaboratively, creating a new site, or modifying
>> an
>> existing site.
>>
>> * Who: Joe Auty, UITS Unix Messaging Group, and an independent
>> developer
>> * What: Useful information for developers of all skill levels
>> * When: Wednesday, December 5, 1:30-3:00pm
>> * Where: IUB Kelley School of Business Corporate and Graduate
>> Center,
>> Room CG1014
>>
>> A UITS representative will also be on hand to give a brief update on
>> the changes to the central web hosting environment.
>>
>> NOTE: This is the final meeting of the semester. That means we have
>> piles of books, shirts and other goodies to give away, including
>> $2100
>> in Adobe software!
>>
>> You can also attend online at:
>> http://adobechats.adobe.acrobat.com/iummugdec07/
>>
>> For more information about this and other IUMMUG activities, see:
>> http://iummug.indiana.edu/
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________
>> Bob Flynn
>> Associate Director of Information Systems Technology Graduate
>> Accounting Programs and Information Systems Graduate Programs Indiana
>> University Kelley School of Business
>> 1275 E. Tenth Street, Suite 2000 [office] 812/855-5509
>> Bloomington, IN 47405-1701 [fax] 812/856-4123
>> http://kelley.iu.edu/gap/ and http://kelley.iu.edu/isgp/ [email]
>> reflynn@indiana.edu
>>
>> Manager, Indiana University Multimedia Users Group
>> http://iummug.indiana.edu
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Re: [BLUG] Fwd: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers

I think it will be recorded, I'll pass this info on to the list.

You must have somebody in mind as far as the IPv6 talk goes, that
wasn't me :)

On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Sams, Weldon wrote:

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RE: [BLUG] Fwd: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers

Joe, do you know if this will be recorded? I'd like to watch, but I'm in a meeting at that time.

By the way, nice talk on IPv6 the other day.

Thanks, Weldon

-----Original Message-----
From: blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu [mailto:blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Auty
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 17:50
To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
Subject: [BLUG] Fwd: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers

Hey Guys,

I'm conducting a little seminar for web developers about Unix basics - sort of a "get inside the brain of a Unix sysadmin" targeted for web developers - many of which will likely be novices...

If any of you are interested in coming, the details are below. It's free...

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Flynn, Robert Edward" <reflynn@INDIANA.EDU>
> Date: December 3, 2007 1:47:22 PM GMT-05:00
> To: IUMMUGNEWS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Subject: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers
> Reply-To: "Flynn, Robert Edward" <reflynn@INDIANA.EDU>
>
> Have you ever done an online search and found a solution that involved
> a string of incomprehensible, overwhelming Unix commands?
> You are invited to learn some useful Unix command line tips and tricks
> that will make life as a web developer more productive and efficient.
>
> This meeting will focus on features of the Unix/Linux environment that
> web developers can put to use immediately, whether working
> independently or collaboratively, creating a new site, or modifying an
> existing site.
>
> * Who: Joe Auty, UITS Unix Messaging Group, and an independent
> developer
> * What: Useful information for developers of all skill levels
> * When: Wednesday, December 5, 1:30-3:00pm
> * Where: IUB Kelley School of Business Corporate and Graduate Center,
> Room CG1014
>
> A UITS representative will also be on hand to give a brief update on
> the changes to the central web hosting environment.
>
> NOTE: This is the final meeting of the semester. That means we have
> piles of books, shirts and other goodies to give away, including $2100
> in Adobe software!
>
> You can also attend online at:
> http://adobechats.adobe.acrobat.com/iummugdec07/
>
> For more information about this and other IUMMUG activities, see:
> http://iummug.indiana.edu/
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Bob Flynn
> Associate Director of Information Systems Technology Graduate
> Accounting Programs and Information Systems Graduate Programs Indiana
> University Kelley School of Business
> 1275 E. Tenth Street, Suite 2000 [office] 812/855-5509
> Bloomington, IN 47405-1701 [fax] 812/856-4123
> http://kelley.iu.edu/gap/ and http://kelley.iu.edu/isgp/ [email]
> reflynn@indiana.edu
>
> Manager, Indiana University Multimedia Users Group
> http://iummug.indiana.edu
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Monday, December 3, 2007

[BLUG] Fwd: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers

Hey Guys,

I'm conducting a little seminar for web developers about Unix basics -
sort of a "get inside the brain of a Unix sysadmin" targeted for web
developers - many of which will likely be novices...

If any of you are interested in coming, the details are below. It's
free...

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Flynn, Robert Edward" <reflynn@INDIANA.EDU>
> Date: December 3, 2007 1:47:22 PM GMT-05:00
> To: IUMMUGNEWS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Subject: December IUMMUG Meeting: Unix for web developers
> Reply-To: "Flynn, Robert Edward" <reflynn@INDIANA.EDU>
>
> Have you ever done an online search and found a solution that
> involved a string of incomprehensible, overwhelming Unix commands?
> You are invited to learn some useful Unix command line tips and
> tricks that will make life as a web developer more productive and
> efficient.
>
> This meeting will focus on features of the Unix/Linux environment
> that web developers can put to use immediately, whether working
> independently or collaboratively, creating a new site, or modifying
> an existing site.
>
> • Who: Joe Auty, UITS Unix Messaging Group, and an independent
> developer
> • What: Useful information for developers of all skill levels
> • When: Wednesday, December 5, 1:30-3:00pm
> • Where: IUB Kelley School of Business Corporate and Graduate
> Center, Room CG1014
>
> A UITS representative will also be on hand to give a brief update on
> the changes to the central web hosting environment.
>
> NOTE: This is the final meeting of the semester. That means we have
> piles of books, shirts and other goodies to give away, including
> $2100 in Adobe software!
>
> You can also attend online at:
> http://adobechats.adobe.acrobat.com/iummugdec07/
>
> For more information about this and other IUMMUG activities, see:
> http://iummug.indiana.edu/
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
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Sunday, November 25, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Definitely video (*gasp* yes, even on the 1st gen Nano), maybe just
MPEG(???, don't quote me). Here's an excerpt re:iPods from
<http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox>:

"Rockbox for the iPod models supports a large number of plugins,
including games, applications, and "demos" - have some fun when you've
got some free time to kill, open files with the text viewer, make use
of the stopwatch, view some JPEG photos, perhaps watch a video or two,
or turn your iPod into a desktop clock. Also enjoy On-The-Go playlist
creation and adjustment, full file bookmarking support and much more."

I just played with it a little and figured out there is a way to speed
up playback, but it involves adjusting the pitch which makes Chess
Griffin sound like Alvin Chipmunk, if that's what you're into...

I think there's a way in Audacity to speed things up while
"correcting" for Pitch (basically, chopping out bits of audio, rather
than squeezing it all together) that might be a good way to
pre-process podcasts and audio books before putting them on your
player if what you're aiming for is faster consumption speed without
the extra calories.

To tell the truth, though, if my Nano dies I'll be researching all the
players that are available that support Rockbox at the time, and I
won't necessarily go for an iPod (though they are good hardware, when
reflashed). Right now there are quite a few SanDisk Sansas that would
be high on my list of prospectives.

Simón

P.S. Speaking of dying Nanos. My fiancée's died a while back, which
was a sad day. The other day I found it lying forgotten in my closet
'o junk, so I decided I'd pry it apart to peek inside, maybe see if I
can snag the battery for when mine's battery dies.

Amazingly enough, after prying it open, the sucker turned on good as
new. Craziness. I can't explain how, but I brought it back from the
dead.

Of course, she demanded her case and cable back for it, so I was
penalized for my heroism (I'd gotten used to having the extra cable,
and her case is nicer than mine...).

On Nov 26, 2007 12:25 AM, Gillis, Chad <rcgillis@indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Hey Simón
> (and everyone else)
>
> Having Rockbox on something like an old ipod sounds way nicer than my
> flash drive that plays music. Maybe your experience with the nano
> doesn't apply here, but do you know offhand if Rockbox supports
> variable audio playback speed, or video? If not then don't worry about
> it.
>
> Chad

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Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Hey Simón
(and everyone else)

Having Rockbox on something like an old ipod sounds way nicer than my
flash drive that plays music. Maybe your experience with the nano
doesn't apply here, but do you know offhand if Rockbox supports
variable audio playback speed, or video? If not then don't worry about
it.

Chad

Quoting Simón Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com>:

> Correct. I can just cp/mv my oggs and mp3s (not every podcast provides
> an ogg, yet ;-) ) over to the iPod which mount just like any USB
> drive.
>
> I use bashpodder for my podcatcher, which saves podcasts in neat
> little folders by date.
>
> I just mv all the folders onto my iPod, open up the first folder and
> hit play on the first podcast. Rockbox will just read through all the
> audio files in alphabetical order, and then move on the next
> (alphabetically) folder, so I listen to all my podcasts in rough
> chronological order (+ or - 24 hours).
>
> When I turn off the iPod, it saves a bookmark of where I was, and then
> when I turn it on I just hit the "Play" button and it resumes.
>
> Awesome for podcasts and for audiobooks. I don't listen to much music,
> so I haven't played too much with using the database stuff or
> randomizing anything, but my guess is it's all there somewhere.
>
> And, I can play Frozen Bubble on the iPod while listening to my
> podcasts if I get bored! ;-) Or chess, or Doom, or do Sudoku
> puzzles... Though playing games really kills the battery, I'm guessing
> mostly because of the backlight being on; I don't usually play games,
> anyhow, as I generally only use the iPod while driving or walking the
> dog.
>
> ...The only odd thing is that it takes a little while to play oggs (my
> guess is that has something to do with the iPod having a hardware
> based mp3 decoder, whereas the ogg decoding needs to be done with
> software...).
>
> Simón
>

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Re: [BLUG] November meeting announcement

Arrgh, I only noticed that upon reading this message....

Dave Cooley
dcooley@kiva.net

Paul Purdom wrote:
> Darn, I noticed today that the meeting is yesterday.
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Re: [BLUG] November meeting announcement

Darn, I noticed today that the meeting is yesterday.
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Re: [BLUG] November meeting announcement

On Monday 19 November 2007 10:59:10 am Scott Blaydes wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>
> 38th meeting
> November 19th @ 7pm
> Monroe County Library Room 1B
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Please join the Bloomington Linux Users Group for a presentation on
> Inkscape and vector graphics by Ben Lipkowitz. After the presentation
> we will also discuss general Linix and Open Source news if time allows.
>
> Please note the meeting being tonite on a Monday due to scheduling
> conflicts.
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I was wondering if Ben had any info that he used on the presentation he could
send my way. I have some friends who are interested in this topic and would
love to send it there way.

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Monday, November 19, 2007

[BLUG] November meeting announcement

---------------------------------------------------------------
Bloomington Linux Users Group

38th meeting
November 19th @ 7pm
Monroe County Library Room 1B
---------------------------------------------------------------

Please join the Bloomington Linux Users Group for a presentation on
Inkscape and vector graphics by Ben Lipkowitz. After the presentation
we will also discuss general Linix and Open Source news if time allows.

Please note the meeting being tonite on a Monday due to scheduling
conflicts.
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Thursday, November 15, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

Depending on the temperature, it might make for a good Hardy Release Party...

On 11/15/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> Scott Blaydes wrote:
> > Wonderfully. Thank you.
> >
> > We need to have a meeting someplace where you can bring the dogs.
> > Maybe a cookout next summer (i prefer to not cookout in the snow) at a
> > park? Open source recipes?
>
> CINLUG's been talking about a picnic/cookout for years but we've not yet
> had one. Maybe we could have a joint cookout next year sometime.
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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

Dog-friendly picnic would be fun! I'd probably bring "dog" and not
"dogs"; Xen's friendly and social with everyone. Jett's pretty sure
that other dogs are scary, therefore ought to be preemptively bitten.
That's rather an issue at trials. But little Xennie would have a
wonderful time, meeting new people and new dogs and trying her best
"begging face" to get weenies....

Ana

On Nov 15, 2007 12:32 PM, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> Scott Blaydes wrote:
> > Wonderfully. Thank you.
> >
> > We need to have a meeting someplace where you can bring the dogs.
> > Maybe a cookout next summer (i prefer to not cookout in the snow) at a
> > park? Open source recipes?
>
> CINLUG's been talking about a picnic/cookout for years but we've not yet
> had one. Maybe we could have a joint cookout next year sometime.
>
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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

Scott Blaydes wrote:
> Wonderfully. Thank you.
>
> We need to have a meeting someplace where you can bring the dogs.
> Maybe a cookout next summer (i prefer to not cookout in the snow) at a
> park? Open source recipes?

CINLUG's been talking about a picnic/cookout for years but we've not yet
had one. Maybe we could have a joint cookout next year sometime.
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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

Wonderfully. Thank you.

We need to have a meeting someplace where you can bring the dogs. Maybe
a cookout next summer (i prefer to not cookout in the snow) at a park?
Open source recipes?

Thank you,
Scott Blaydes

Pawsitive Results wrote:
> Monday November 19?
>
> Oddly enough, I think I can actually make it to the meeting, and thus
> bring the projector with me.
>
> That'll work, right?
>
> Ana
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 11:59 AM, Scott Blaydes <sblaydes@sbce.org> wrote:
>> I was going to try to borrow a projector from Ana, but I do not know
>> what her schedule is like on Monday. Hopefully she will see thread and
>> be able to let us know.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Scott Blaydes
>>
>>
>> ben lipkowitz wrote:
>>> I'm going to my parents' house next tuesday; how does monday the 19th
>>> sound? i just reserved the room.
>>>
>>> scott, can you bring a projector?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Steven Black wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 09:39:03PM -0500, Scott Blaydes wrote:
>>>>> I could go for next week myself, otherwise I had some plans for
>>>>> Thursday. Need to check with Ben also since he was going to present.
>>>> If we're going to do it next week, we need to get the request in
>>>> soon so the room doesn't disappear on us.
>>>>
>>>> I've confirmation we have the room for next month, at least.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
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>>>>
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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

Monday November 19?

Oddly enough, I think I can actually make it to the meeting, and thus
bring the projector with me.

That'll work, right?

Ana

On Nov 15, 2007 11:59 AM, Scott Blaydes <sblaydes@sbce.org> wrote:
> I was going to try to borrow a projector from Ana, but I do not know
> what her schedule is like on Monday. Hopefully she will see thread and
> be able to let us know.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Blaydes
>
>
> ben lipkowitz wrote:
> > I'm going to my parents' house next tuesday; how does monday the 19th
> > sound? i just reserved the room.
> >
> > scott, can you bring a projector?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Steven Black wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 09:39:03PM -0500, Scott Blaydes wrote:
> >>> I could go for next week myself, otherwise I had some plans for
> >>> Thursday. Need to check with Ben also since he was going to present.
> >>
> >> If we're going to do it next week, we need to get the request in
> >> soon so the room doesn't disappear on us.
> >>
> >> I've confirmation we have the room for next month, at least.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Steven Black
> >>
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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

I was going to try to borrow a projector from Ana, but I do not know
what her schedule is like on Monday. Hopefully she will see thread and
be able to let us know.

Thank you,
Scott Blaydes

ben lipkowitz wrote:
> I'm going to my parents' house next tuesday; how does monday the 19th
> sound? i just reserved the room.
>
> scott, can you bring a projector?
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Steven Black wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 09:39:03PM -0500, Scott Blaydes wrote:
>>> I could go for next week myself, otherwise I had some plans for
>>> Thursday. Need to check with Ben also since he was going to present.
>>
>> If we're going to do it next week, we need to get the request in
>> soon so the room doesn't disappear on us.
>>
>> I've confirmation we have the room for next month, at least.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steven Black
>>
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

On Wednesday 14 November 2007 5:38:20 pm Simón Ruiz wrote:
> Correct. I can just cp/mv my oggs and mp3s (not every podcast provides
> an ogg, yet ;-) ) over to the iPod which mount just like any USB
> drive.
>
> I use bashpodder for my podcatcher, which saves podcasts in neat
> little folders by date.
>
> I just mv all the folders onto my iPod, open up the first folder and
> hit play on the first podcast. Rockbox will just read through all the
> audio files in alphabetical order, and then move on the next
> (alphabetically) folder, so I listen to all my podcasts in rough
> chronological order (+ or - 24 hours).
>
> When I turn off the iPod, it saves a bookmark of where I was, and then
> when I turn it on I just hit the "Play" button and it resumes.
>
> Awesome for podcasts and for audiobooks. I don't listen to much music,
> so I haven't played too much with using the database stuff or
> randomizing anything, but my guess is it's all there somewhere.
>
> And, I can play Frozen Bubble on the iPod while listening to my
> podcasts if I get bored! ;-) Or chess, or Doom, or do Sudoku
> puzzles... Though playing games really kills the battery, I'm guessing
> mostly because of the backlight being on; I don't usually play games,
> anyhow, as I generally only use the iPod while driving or walking the
> dog.
>
> ...The only odd thing is that it takes a little while to play oggs (my
> guess is that has something to do with the iPod having a hardware
> based mp3 decoder, whereas the ogg decoding needs to be done with
> software...).
>
> Simón
>
> On 11/13/07, Sams, Weldon <wsams@indiana.edu> wrote:
> > Simón, I have question about Rockbox. Does that allow you to add music
> > flash style to an iPod. I've resorted to using my BlackBerry. :)
> > Although, I kind of like it better for music -- I just wish the battery
> > lasted longer.
> >
> > Weldon
>
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Has anyone had any luck getting ipodlinux installed on the 5.5gen 30gig ipods?

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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

I'm going to my parents' house next tuesday; how does monday the 19th
sound? i just reserved the room.

scott, can you bring a projector?

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Steven Black wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 09:39:03PM -0500, Scott Blaydes wrote:
>> I could go for next week myself, otherwise I had some plans for
>> Thursday. Need to check with Ben also since he was going to present.
>
> If we're going to do it next week, we need to get the request in
> soon so the room doesn't disappear on us.
>
> I've confirmation we have the room for next month, at least.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
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Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Correct. I can just cp/mv my oggs and mp3s (not every podcast provides
an ogg, yet ;-) ) over to the iPod which mount just like any USB
drive.

I use bashpodder for my podcatcher, which saves podcasts in neat
little folders by date.

I just mv all the folders onto my iPod, open up the first folder and
hit play on the first podcast. Rockbox will just read through all the
audio files in alphabetical order, and then move on the next
(alphabetically) folder, so I listen to all my podcasts in rough
chronological order (+ or - 24 hours).

When I turn off the iPod, it saves a bookmark of where I was, and then
when I turn it on I just hit the "Play" button and it resumes.

Awesome for podcasts and for audiobooks. I don't listen to much music,
so I haven't played too much with using the database stuff or
randomizing anything, but my guess is it's all there somewhere.

And, I can play Frozen Bubble on the iPod while listening to my
podcasts if I get bored! ;-) Or chess, or Doom, or do Sudoku
puzzles... Though playing games really kills the battery, I'm guessing
mostly because of the backlight being on; I don't usually play games,
anyhow, as I generally only use the iPod while driving or walking the
dog.

...The only odd thing is that it takes a little while to play oggs (my
guess is that has something to do with the iPod having a hardware
based mp3 decoder, whereas the ogg decoding needs to be done with
software...).

Simón

On 11/13/07, Sams, Weldon <wsams@indiana.edu> wrote:
> Simón, I have question about Rockbox. Does that allow you to add music flash style to an iPod. I've resorted to using my BlackBerry. :) Although, I kind of like it better for music -- I just wish the battery lasted longer.
>
> Weldon

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Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?

I am at SC07 right now and a company has two on display. They look
pretty cool. I browsed the web with it a little.. I would like to get
one for my daughter.

On Nov 12, 2007 5:53 PM, ¥ dosman ¥ <dosman33@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello BLUG members,
>
> I am strongly considering the "Give One Get One" program where you purchase
> two XO's; one is given to a child in a developing nation and the other you
> get to keep. Since it is based on Fedora 7 I figured I could get away with
> bringing this up here, is anyone else looking at this? It would be nice to
> have a local group of folks with them so the wi-mesh and group applications
> could be tested. Also I am interested in seeing what I can contribute to the
> platform if anything.
>
> Thanks,
> -Nathan
>
> http://www.laptopgiving.org
>
>
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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict

On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 09:39:03PM -0500, Scott Blaydes wrote:
> I could go for next week myself, otherwise I had some plans for
> Thursday. Need to check with Ben also since he was going to present.

If we're going to do it next week, we need to get the request in
soon so the room doesn't disappear on us.

I've confirmation we have the room for next month, at least.

Cheers,
Steven Black

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Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?

On Monday 12 November 2007 10:46:59 pm ¥ dosman ¥ wrote:
> That is great to hear, I'm interested in seeing what the finished product
> looks like. And I like the XOnar name too.
>
> -Nathan
>
> > From: simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com
> > To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
> > Subject: Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:05:39 -0500
> >
> > Nathan,
> >
> > I'm FROM Bloomington, even though I currently live in Fort Wayne, does
> > that count? ;-)
> >
> > I co-teach a Python class with my boss, and we thought: Wouldn't it be
> > cool to have the kids develop software for the OLPC (since anything
> > that can (reasonably) be in Python on it, is)? Well, since we also
> > happen to be the people who make decisions on how Technology money
> > gets spent, I B2G2'd this morning so we have a couple of development
> > machines on hand.
> >
> > The kids seem pretty pumped about it, and they're working on a
> > Battleship play-alike game for it which they call XOnar (working name,
> > but pretty clever if you ask me).
> >
> > Hope they ship out soon!
> >
> > Simón
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2007 5:53 PM, ¥ dosman ¥ <dosman33@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello BLUG members,
> > >
> > > I am strongly considering the "Give One Get One" program where you
> > > purchase two XO's; one is given to a child in a developing nation and
> > > the other you get to keep. Since it is based on Fedora 7 I figured I
> > > could get away with bringing this up here, is anyone else looking at
> > > this? It would be nice to have a local group of folks with them so the
> > > wi-mesh and group applications could be tested. Also I am interested in
> > > seeing what I can contribute to the platform if anything.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Nathan
> > >
> > > http://www.laptopgiving.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble
> > > challenge with star power. Play Now!
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I just wanted to drop a line and let everyone know I was at the Fashion Mall
recently up near 82nd and keystone in indianapolis. The interesting thing I
saw was ad's in the mall for the buy one give one deal on the olpc machines.
That's all for now

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Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Well, I agree with the basic gist of what you are saying here.. It
seems a little futile to debate which turds would be least smelliest,
because the bottom line is that turds smell :)

I also recognize whole heartedly the overall frustration of having
several companies competing for ownership of your data, particularly
when so many consumers seem blissfully ignorant and complacent about
this stuff. Things have gotten so bad in the tech industry I often
wonder when or if there will be some sort of large scale consumer
revolt. At the top of my list are cell-phone contracts... Doesn't it
seem odd to some that we need to sign a legal document pledging
loyalty to a company we are paying money to for a product that will be
consumed?

Another rant for another thread though (I know my argument isn't at
all focused either), sorry to derail :)

On Nov 13, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Simón Ruiz wrote:

> Oh, I agree with the opinion that there are benefits of having
> commercial software choices (though I think the benefits might be
> better realized if the commercial choices competed on quality, rather
> than existing market dominance) on the grounds that free market
> competition is beneficial to consumers. It's the same reason I think
> forking within the free software community can be healthy.
>
> I simply don't agree that it'd be any better with Apple monopolizing
> an industry over Microsoft; it's merely a choice between expensive,
> working, shiny handcuffs and cheap, good-enough, ugly handcuffs, as
> far as I can tell...
>
> On Nov 13, 2007 3:36 PM, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:
>> I think there is room for commercial software and proprietaryness.
>> I'm
>> a much bigger fan and advocate of open protocols and formats than I
>> am
>> of all OSS. I don't think that all software should be free, and in
>> fact think that there are often several benefits of having commercial
>> software choices available.
>>
>> Just my two cents...
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RE: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Simón, I have question about Rockbox. Does that allow you to add music flash style to an iPod. I've resorted to using my BlackBerry. :) Although, I kind of like it better for music -- I just wish the battery lasted longer.

Weldon

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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 14:34
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Subject: Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Not sure about that myself.

"You hack us, we hack you"?

I can't think of any way that Apple is better than Microsoft, other
than the fact that they make better performing, better designed
products. Since this includes their DRM (however much Jobs claims to
abhor it, right?), it ends up no longer being a positive IMO.

The only positive I can think of is that when their products finally
get hacked so we DO have some freedom to use them as we wish (which
pretty much means it's several generations old), we'll have that nicer
hardware to work with.

I, myself, have an iPod Nano (first generation) running Rockbox. I
wouldn't get a newest generation iPod (were money not an issue
anyways), simply because I'd be stuck with Apple's interface, and
locked into their way of doing things, or I'd have to wait until
someone hacked it so it'd would finally work with me.

Just a thought.

Simón

On 11/13/07, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:
> This isn't to say that I *want* Apple to dominate this industry, but
> then again... better Apple than Microsoft :)

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Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?

On 12/11/2007, ¥ dosman ¥ <dosman33@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello BLUG members,
>
> I am strongly considering the "Give One Get One" program where you purchase
> two XO's; one is given to a child in a developing nation and the other you
> get to keep. Since it is based on Fedora 7 I figured I could get away with
> bringing this up here, is anyone else looking at this? It would be nice to
> have a local group of folks with them so the wi-mesh and group applications
> could be tested. Also I am interested in seeing what I can contribute to the
> platform if anything.
>
I ordered one earlier today -- I'm unconvinced of the OLPC as a tool
to teach programming to kids, but as a collaborative tool it has
promise. And, personally, as an uber-cool legacy-free Linux laptop!

The bundled T-mobile hotspot plan is a nice bonus too.

--
Michel

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Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Oh, I agree with the opinion that there are benefits of having
commercial software choices (though I think the benefits might be
better realized if the commercial choices competed on quality, rather
than existing market dominance) on the grounds that free market
competition is beneficial to consumers. It's the same reason I think
forking within the free software community can be healthy.

I simply don't agree that it'd be any better with Apple monopolizing
an industry over Microsoft; it's merely a choice between expensive,
working, shiny handcuffs and cheap, good-enough, ugly handcuffs, as
far as I can tell...

On Nov 13, 2007 3:36 PM, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:
> I think there is room for commercial software and proprietaryness. I'm
> a much bigger fan and advocate of open protocols and formats than I am
> of all OSS. I don't think that all software should be free, and in
> fact think that there are often several benefits of having commercial
> software choices available.
>
> Just my two cents...
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Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

I'd say that Apple is a little better overall in that they use many
open Unix protocols rather than reinventing the wheel. While many of
their apps use proprietary formats, many (like their mailbox format in
OS X Mail) are still accessible via Unix tools for troubleshooting and
hacking. That is, they don't go out of their way to make it impossible
to hack their stuff, they just don't bother catering to the hacker
crowd. This is a double-edged sword... On one hand, their products
have great focus and this is a great part of their success. On the
other hand, it's a minus for me personally, often times...

As far as the DRM thing, I don't know exactly what went on there. I
see that Apple is now removing DRM from many of their iTunes tracks
and have phased out iTunes Plus, making non-DRM stuff available at no
additional charge. It seems feasible to me that the labels could have
stipulated that Apple utilize DRM in the infancy of the digital
download store, and that this was the only way their product would be
available, but then when Amazon comes along and make their entire
library available w/o DRM, one has to scratch their head...

I like hacking stuff as much as the next guy, but there are times when
I simply don't want to put in the time or effort to do so and am happy
with the little comfortable bubble Apple has provided me. For
instance, I don't think I'll ever hack into my 3G iPod. On the other
hand, I run MythTV rather than paying for my own PVR, so I guess it's
just a matter of what seems like it is worth my time to me at that
moment.

I think there is room for commercial software and proprietaryness. I'm
a much bigger fan and advocate of open protocols and formats than I am
of all OSS. I don't think that all software should be free, and in
fact think that there are often several benefits of having commercial
software choices available.

Just my two cents...

On Nov 13, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Simón Ruiz wrote:

> Not sure about that myself.
>
> "You hack us, we hack you"?
>
> I can't think of any way that Apple is better than Microsoft, other
> than the fact that they make better performing, better designed
> products. Since this includes their DRM (however much Jobs claims to
> abhor it, right?), it ends up no longer being a positive IMO.
>
> The only positive I can think of is that when their products finally
> get hacked so we DO have some freedom to use them as we wish (which
> pretty much means it's several generations old), we'll have that nicer
> hardware to work with.
>
> I, myself, have an iPod Nano (first generation) running Rockbox. I
> wouldn't get a newest generation iPod (were money not an issue
> anyways), simply because I'd be stuck with Apple's interface, and
> locked into their way of doing things, or I'd have to wait until
> someone hacked it so it'd would finally work with me.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Simón
>
> On 11/13/07, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:
>> This isn't to say that I *want* Apple to dominate this industry, but
>> then again... better Apple than Microsoft :)
>
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Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Not sure about that myself.

"You hack us, we hack you"?

Just a thought.

Simón

On 11/13/07, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:
> This isn't to say that I *want* Apple to dominate this industry, but
> then again... better Apple than Microsoft :)

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Re: [BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Apple also claims that they will have a full iPhone SDK in place for
developers by Feb. 2008. I'm interested in knowing whether this will
be complete and entirely open and transparent to developers, or
whether it will be Apple's version of "open", which sometimes seems to
carry a different definition. I'm also interested in seeing whether
Apple will license the iPhone OS (which is a stripped down version of
OS X) to other vendors, and what these relationships and caveats will
be like.

No matter what you think of Apple (and believe me, I have a love/hate
relationship with them myself), the iPhone is damn cool. If Apple
plays their cards right, they could really dominate the smartphone
industry like they dominate the mp3 player industry. Apple sometimes
does some weird things on their backends, sometimes stuff that doesn't
perform well, is oddly designed, etc., but they *do* know how to make
a good client interface, which is going to be what makes or breaks the
purchasing decisions for Joe Sixpack.

This isn't to say that I *want* Apple to dominate this industry, but
then again... better Apple than Microsoft :)

On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Steven Black wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 08:10:16PM -0800, Mark Kruzan wrote:
>> From the website: "The Android platform is a software stack for
>> mobile devices
>> including an operating system, middleware and key applications.
>> Developers can
>> create applications for the platform using the Android SDK.
>> Applications are
>> written using the Java programming language and run on Dalvik, a
>> custom virtual
>> machine designed for embedded use which runs on top of a Linux
>> kernel."
>
> Personally, my gut turns when I think of Java. I don't know if I could
> live with myself using a Java-based phone. Not to mention they
> appear to
> have turned Java in to a write-here-run-here language. Custom
> libraries
> on top of a custom VM?
>
> I suppose they expect you to need to rewrite your entire user-
> interface
> if you want to re-use any libraries between a phone and light-weight
> desktop application. This really sounds like a giant leap backwards,
> powered by Google, so it may catch on.
>
> I'm much more interested in OpenMoko. Their entire design is
> centered on
> standard libraries so the only requirements that applications have is
> that they are limited by the screen size. If you have a small light-
> weight
> desktop application, then it may just compile cleanly for OpenMoko.
>
> Cheers,
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>
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On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 08:10:16PM -0800, Mark Kruzan wrote:
> From the website: "The Android platform is a software stack for mobile devices
> including an operating system, middleware and key applications. Developers can
> create applications for the platform using the Android SDK. Applications are
> written using the Java programming language and run on Dalvik, a custom virtual
> machine designed for embedded use which runs on top of a Linux kernel."

Personally, my gut turns when I think of Java. I don't know if I could
live with myself using a Java-based phone. Not to mention they appear to
have turned Java in to a write-here-run-here language. Custom libraries
on top of a custom VM?

I suppose they expect you to need to rewrite your entire user-interface
if you want to re-use any libraries between a phone and light-weight
desktop application. This really sounds like a giant leap backwards,
powered by Google, so it may catch on.

I'm much more interested in OpenMoko. Their entire design is centered on
standard libraries so the only requirements that applications have is
that they are limited by the screen size. If you have a small light-weight
desktop application, then it may just compile cleanly for OpenMoko.

Cheers,
Steven Black

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[BLUG] Android - competition for iPhone?

Hi, I'm Mark Kruzan. Thanks for re-electing me recently.

The Android SDK was released just today.
http://code.google.com/android/index.html
http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list

Demo video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg&eurl=http://code.google.com/android/index.html

From the website: "The Android platform is a software stack for mobile devices including an operating system, middleware and key applications. Developers can create applications for the platform using the Android SDK. Applications are written using the Java programming language and run on Dalvik, a custom virtual machine designed for embedded use which runs on top of a Linux kernel."

It's Open Source, of course :)
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071106-why-google-chose-the-apache-software-license-over-gplv2.html

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RE: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?

That is great to hear, I'm interested in seeing what the finished product looks like. And I like the XOnar name too.

-Nathan

> From: simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com
> To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:05:39 -0500
>
> Nathan,
>
> I'm FROM Bloomington, even though I currently live in Fort Wayne, does
> that count? ;-)
>
> I co-teach a Python class with my boss, and we thought: Wouldn't it be
> cool to have the kids develop software for the OLPC (since anything
> that can (reasonably) be in Python on it, is)? Well, since we also
> happen to be the people who make decisions on how Technology money
> gets spent, I B2G2'd this morning so we have a couple of development
> machines on hand.
>
> The kids seem pretty pumped about it, and they're working on a
> Battleship play-alike game for it which they call XOnar (working name,
> but pretty clever if you ask me).
>
> Hope they ship out soon!
>
> Simón
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 5:53 PM, ¥ dosman ¥ <dosman33@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello BLUG members,
> >
> > I am strongly considering the "Give One Get One" program where you purchase
> > two XO's; one is given to a child in a developing nation and the other you
> > get to keep. Since it is based on Fedora 7 I figured I could get away with
> > bringing this up here, is anyone else looking at this? It would be nice to
> > have a local group of folks with them so the wi-mesh and group applications
> > could be tested. Also I am interested in seeing what I can contribute to the
> > platform if anything.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Nathan
> >
> > http://www.laptopgiving.org
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble
> > challenge with star power. Play Now!
>
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Re: [BLUG] Meeting delayed: Room conflict tomorrow

I could go for next week myself, otherwise I had some plans for
Thursday. Need to check with Ben also since he was going to present.

Thank you,
Scott Blaydes

Steven Black wrote:
> At this point we could move it to Thursday, provided we're content
> with the Indiana Room.
>
> 1C is available the following week (Nov 20).
>
> I did get 1B requested for December (12/11).
>
> When can people make it?
>
> We could do a social/restaurant meeting instead tomorrow?
>
> I'm terrible about this.
>
> -- Steven
>
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Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?

Hah! I've seen too many sitcoms where two kids pitch in to buy
something coveted and agree to share... ;-)

On Nov 12, 2007 6:20 PM, David Ernst <david.ernst@davidernst.net> wrote:
> Wow, looks cool! I don't think I really have much purpose for such a
> device, but I am interested, I'd love to see one (and maybe then I
> could even justify buying one...)
>
> I'd probably be willing to pitch in some money towards a shared one,
> we could buy it as a group, and use it for BLUG presentations! :)
> Probably not a great idea, but... I would love to see one...
>
> David
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Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?

Agreed, no use for one myself, but I'd pitch in to purchase on behalf of the group.

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----- Original Message -----
From: blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu <blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu>
To: blug@cs.indiana.edu <blug@cs.indiana.edu>
Sent: Mon Nov 12 18:20:30 2007
Subject: Re: [BLUG] OLPC - anyone from Bloomington participating?

Wow, looks cool! I don't think I really have much purpose for such a
device, but I am interested, I'd love to see one (and maybe then I
could even justify buying one...)

I'd probably be willing to pitch in some money towards a shared one,
we could buy it as a group, and use it for BLUG presentations! :)
Probably not a great idea, but... I would love to see one...

David

On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 06:05:39PM -0500, Simón Ruiz wrote:
>Nathan,
>
>I'm FROM Bloomington, even though I currently live in Fort Wayne, does
>that count? ;-)
>
>I co-teach a Python class with my boss, and we thought: Wouldn't it be
>cool to have the kids develop software for the OLPC (since anything
>that can (reasonably) be in Python on it, is)? Well, since we also
>happen to be the people who make decisions on how Technology money
>gets spent, I B2G2'd this morning so we have a couple of development
>machines on hand.
>
>The kids seem pretty pumped about it, and they're working on a
>Battleship play-alike game for it which they call XOnar (working name,
>but pretty clever if you ask me).
>
>Hope they ship out soon!
>
>Simón
>
>On Nov 12, 2007 5:53 PM, ¥ dosman ¥ <dosman33@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello BLUG members,
>>
>> I am strongly considering the "Give One Get One" program where you purchase
>> two XO's; one is given to a child in a developing nation and the other you
>> get to keep. Since it is based on Fedora 7 I figured I could get away with
>> bringing this up here, is anyone else looking at this? It would be nice to
>> have a local group of folks with them so the wi-mesh and group applications
>> could be tested. Also I am interested in seeing what I can contribute to the
>> platform if anything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Nathan
>>
>> http://www.laptopgiving.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble
>> challenge with star power. Play Now!
>
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