Sunday, January 30, 2011

Re: [BLUG] KVM in production

Do you happen to know whether Amazon, Linode, Slicehost, or some of the other major VPS providers plan to switch to KVM, Mark or anybody else?

To answer your question, I played around with Virtualbox recently as you recall, Mark, and I had mixed results. At the time it provided to be unstable, but I found out several interesting things along the way...

As you know, full-virt solutions provide some sort of disk controller (SCSI/SATA/IDE), and these disk controllers seem to be sort of optimized for the type of physical environment that would most typically be used for the demographic of the product. For instance (and this info might be somewhat inaccurate since this is merely based on my best recollection of some of my findings at the time, or at least what some people were claiming on some mailing lists), VMWare Server does disk flushes where Virtualbox doesn't. Disk flushes are generally a good thing, but eat up a lot of I/O performance and are often ignored by many SATA disks anyway, so are often best to disable if possible (esp. in my case where my underlying file system is ZFS which has its own self-healing mechanism). The VMWare Server products in general don't seem to be too concerned about working with SATA disks or low-level consumer technology, the drivers that are available for ESXi reflect this as well.

Point being, the type of I/O performance you get with these various options seems to depend on the pairing of your hypervisor and underlying hardware. I think you are spoiled using Xen and having your VMs have (AFAIK) physical access to the disks via para-virt, because I've struggled a great deal with I/O issues on SATA disks on VMWare Server, and I'm surely not the only one! For me the key was disabling the disk flushes at the Solaris level.

I've also played around with KVM well before I played around with Virtualbox, and I found that for some reason the bridged networking changes I made via ifconfig would cease to work after a given time, not only locking me out of the VMs but of my entire host - not cool. I've been shy about giving KVM another try since then, although I probably should since it has been a while. That being said, there is something comforting to me about the hypervisor setting up your bridged networking for you! Please let me know what sort of work was involved to get bridged networking working with KVM these days, I'm curious!

I didn't even get far enough to test networking performance, but I would not be surprised if the para-virt you are doing with Xen beats out KVM there as well. However, if you were interested in getting into ethernet bonding you could probably just make up for this with providing overwhelming amounts of network bandwidth this way.


I apologize that my thoughts here are rather scattered and probably somewhat dubious, but I'm definitely interested in this topic. If I were like you and were only interested in running Linux OSes that were well suited to run as Xen guests, I probably wouldn't be in a major hurry to abandon Xen! If I didn't have such a history and affinity towards FreeBSD I might be using Xen myself :)



Mark Krenz
January 30, 2011 9:24 PM

Who on the list is using KVM based virtualization in production
environments? Any regrets? Did you use some other solution before?

I've spent the last week hard testing KVM vs. Xen and it seems that
it will work well, but there are some inefficiencies as far as network
and disk speed go, but not major enough to dismiss it.

I've been using Xen for 5 years and haven't had many gripes about its
performance. But with this recent push in the industry to KVM, I'm
getting nervous about using it in the future.




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[BLUG] KVM in production

Who on the list is using KVM based virtualization in production
environments? Any regrets? Did you use some other solution before?

I've spent the last week hard testing KVM vs. Xen and it seems that
it will work well, but there are some inefficiencies as far as network
and disk speed go, but not major enough to dismiss it.

I've been using Xen for 5 years and haven't had many gripes about its
performance. But with this recent push in the industry to KVM, I'm
getting nervous about using it in the future.

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Monday, January 24, 2011

Re: [BLUG] RSVP for day 15000 party

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 01:18:37AM -0500, Paul Purdom wrote:
> just a little. Remind me (and the rest of the list perhaps) where it is.
> I know you said before, but some of us don't remember well. Perhaps you
> should count me as half a person.

http://day15000.com/rootparty

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Re: [BLUG] RSVP for day 15000 party

On 1/24/2011 8:45 PM, Mark Krenz wrote:
> In order to help determine how many pizzas and how much drink we
> should be buying, it would be helpful if you could let me know whether
> or not you plan on attending the party tomorrow night. It starts at
> 6pm, but if you need to come later, that's fine of course.
>
> If you could just quickly say yes or no on this form I can track it.
>
> http://www.day15000.com/rsvp.php
>
> No need to login, put in personal information or anything, it will be
> enough to get a good estimate. Thanks.
>
> Hope to see you there tomorrow.
>
I did no on the form, but now that I think of it the only reason I said
no was due to a state of the union party. I will try to come early for
just a little. Remind me (and the rest of the list perhaps) where it is.
I know you said before, but some of us don't remember well. Perhaps you
should count me as half a person.

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[BLUG] RSVP for day 15000 party

In order to help determine how many pizzas and how much drink we
should be buying, it would be helpful if you could let me know whether
or not you plan on attending the party tomorrow night. It starts at
6pm, but if you need to come later, that's fine of course.

If you could just quickly say yes or no on this form I can track it.

http://www.day15000.com/rsvp.php

No need to login, put in personal information or anything, it will be
enough to get a good estimate. Thanks.

Hope to see you there tomorrow.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011

[BLUG] Announcement: Epoch Day 15000 party

Just in case it wasn't clear.

You are all invited to the Unix Epoch Day 15000 party next Tuesday
Jan. 25th, 2011 in Fountain Square Ballroom in downtown Bloomington. It
starts at 6pm and goes until 8. There will be free food and
refreshments, music, door prizes, a presentation and a countdown to 7pm,
which is when the epoch day 15000 begins. Fountain Square is the mall
on the south end of the square downtown. Basically, just go in the door
under the green awning and take the glass elevator to the 3rd floor and
turn right. The address is 101 W. Kirkwood Ave.

The event is a co-meeting of BLUG and the Bloomington Geek Dinners
group, which typically will be attended by as many as 40 people, so I'd
really like to see a strong BLUG turn out. Don't be shy. Thank you to
those of you that have offered to make Linux CDs. Ubuntu or Fedora CDs
are probably the best for those New to Linux, but other CDs are welcome
because we can swap them with other BLUG members and anyone else who is
interested in a specific distribution.

This is a great chance for us all to get out, hang out with like
minded people, talk and get to know each other and have fun.

Please feel free to pass this along to other groups who you think
might be interested.

http://www.day15000.com/


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Re: [BLUG] Bloomington isps

I have only ever used AT&T DSL, been using it since about 2002 I
believe. At that time they confirmed that they did not care what
services I was running on my end which was my big concern at the time.
Back then Comcast had a reputation for blocking inbound traffic that
did not originate from your box, I have no idea if this is still the
case or if their policy is still anti-server. I'm sure as long as you
are not running a high traffic web site they probably don't care these
days.

That's my 2 cents.
-Nathan

On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:

> I'm moving back to bloomington and looking for recommendations for
> an isp
>
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Re: [BLUG] Bloomington isps

I had fiber with Smithville. Then we moved. :-( But while we had it
to our house is was awesome. 15-20Mbit/sec down and 4Mbit/up and it
rarely had issues. I had DSL with Smithville for 8 years before that and
almost never had problems. Smithville is a good provider IMHO.

I have Comcast now and they are ok. I actually was weary about going
with a cable provider because I used to work at an ISP that provided
both Cable and DSL and Cable was slower depending on your neighborhood
and DSL often had less problems for people. I can't speak for AT&T
U-verse, but I have a friend who has them and says its good.

I think it really will depend largely on where you are going to live.
David, Ben and Mark say its fine, but over by apartment complex X where
a bunch of rich flunkie students live who sit at home and watch
streaming video all day, the connection is horrible because its shared.
But I'm just talking theoretically, that's not to say that Comcast
doesn't do something to deal with situations like that.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 04:29:47PM GMT, Ben Shewmaker [ben@shewbox.org] said the following:
> I'll have to agree here as well. I rarely have connection issues and
> is consistently a quick connection. I have also been lucky in keeping
> my monthly cost low by being put on several different promotional
> pricing options. It doesn't always happen, sometimes I am not lucky
> and the price shoots up, but, for example, the last time it went up I
> called and complained and am currently on a 6 month promotional deal
> of $19.99/month for their higher speed service.
>
> I'm curious, though, does anyone outside of town have fiber with
> Smithville? A friend at school said he and his wife life outside town
> and they have fiber internet and TV with Smithville.
>
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Mark Warner <mhwarner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > David Ernst wrote:
> >> I don't suspect that this will be a very popular opinion, but my
> >> connection with ComCast has been quite great.  Three years, minimal
> >> need to restart CPE, never had to call tech support, downloads are
> >> impressively fast.
> >
> > Confirmed. They're no bargain, and I hate all the nonsense I've had to
> > go through with my TV service and the transition to digital (I just want
> > basic freaking cable, fer cryin' out loud), but as far as providing a
> > fast, trouble free connection is concerned, they've been great.
> >
> > It may not be of interest to anybody, but my IP hasn't changed in over
> > two years. Makes it easy to be able to serve up files directly with the
> > load of apache I have running on my Lenny based desktop.
> >
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Re: [BLUG] Bloomington isps

I'll have to agree here as well. I rarely have connection issues and
is consistently a quick connection. I have also been lucky in keeping
my monthly cost low by being put on several different promotional
pricing options. It doesn't always happen, sometimes I am not lucky
and the price shoots up, but, for example, the last time it went up I
called and complained and am currently on a 6 month promotional deal
of $19.99/month for their higher speed service.

I'm curious, though, does anyone outside of town have fiber with
Smithville? A friend at school said he and his wife life outside town
and they have fiber internet and TV with Smithville.

Ben

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Mark Warner <mhwarner@gmail.com> wrote:
> David Ernst wrote:
>> I don't suspect that this will be a very popular opinion, but my
>> connection with ComCast has been quite great.  Three years, minimal
>> need to restart CPE, never had to call tech support, downloads are
>> impressively fast.
>
> Confirmed. They're no bargain, and I hate all the nonsense I've had to
> go through with my TV service and the transition to digital (I just want
> basic freaking cable, fer cryin' out loud), but as far as providing a
> fast, trouble free connection is concerned, they've been great.
>
> It may not be of interest to anybody, but my IP hasn't changed in over
> two years. Makes it easy to be able to serve up files directly with the
> load of apache I have running on my Lenny based desktop.
>
> --
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Re: [BLUG] Bloomington isps

David Ernst wrote:
> I don't suspect that this will be a very popular opinion, but my
> connection with ComCast has been quite great. Three years, minimal
> need to restart CPE, never had to call tech support, downloads are
> impressively fast.

Confirmed. They're no bargain, and I hate all the nonsense I've had to
go through with my TV service and the transition to digital (I just want
basic freaking cable, fer cryin' out loud), but as far as providing a
fast, trouble free connection is concerned, they've been great.

It may not be of interest to anybody, but my IP hasn't changed in over
two years. Makes it easy to be able to serve up files directly with the
load of apache I have running on my Lenny based desktop.

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Re: [BLUG] Bloomington isps

I don't suspect that this will be a very popular opinion, but my
connection with ComCast has been quite great. Three years, minimal
need to restart CPE, never had to call tech support, downloads are
impressively fast.

David


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 03:53:55PM -0500, Lord Drachenblut wrote:
>I'm moving back to bloomington and looking for recommendations for an isp

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Wednesday, January 19, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Live CDs/Install CDs

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Mark Warner wrote:

> Off the top of my head, I know I've got the latest Ubuntu, Mint,
> Mint-Debian, SimplyMEPIS, PCLinuxOS KDE and Full Monty versions. I can
> pull down most anything else. I'll be happy to burn two or three of
> each. Anything else anybody would like to add to the list?

You might want to throw in a few of the Omega spin of
Fedora, which is designed to run on EeePCs; I have it on my 701
(one of the first, if not the first, oldest, smallest, slowest
models -- admittedly with a camera card). It runs fine there.

Judging from recent discussion on the fedora.general list
at Gmane, Kororaa is to KDE4 much what Omega is to Gnome. So you
might want a couple of it, too.

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[BLUG] Bloomington isps

I'm moving back to bloomington and looking for recommendations for an isp

Re: [BLUG] Live CDs/Install CDs

Off the top of my head, I know I've got the latest Ubuntu, Mint,
Mint-Debian, SimplyMEPIS, PCLinuxOS KDE and Full Monty versions. I can
pull down most anything else. I'll be happy to burn two or three of
each. Anything else anybody would like to add to the list?


Mark Krenz wrote:
> Thank you very much to the three of you that have volunteered your CDs
> and your time. Please bring whatever you can in the way of CDs so that
> we can hand them out to people who are interested.


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Re: [BLUG] Live CDs/Install CDs

Thank you very much to the three of you that have volunteered your CDs
and your time. Please bring whatever you can in the way of CDs so that
we can hand them out to people who are interested.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 04:40:28PM GMT, Mark Warner [mhwarner@gmail.com] said the following:
> Mark Krenz wrote:
> > Anyone happen to have some recent Fedora, Ubuntu or other Linux
> > distro's Live or Install CDs? I wanted to give some out at the day
> > 15000 party next week and it might be too late for me to get some from
> > one of the distributor.
>
> I can burn any number of ISOs of most anything you would want within
> reason. But I'm thinking you probably had disks with printing/branding
> in mind...
>
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Re: [BLUG] Live CDs/Install CDs

Mark Krenz wrote:
> Anyone happen to have some recent Fedora, Ubuntu or other Linux
> distro's Live or Install CDs? I wanted to give some out at the day
> 15000 party next week and it might be too late for me to get some from
> one of the distributor.

I can burn any number of ISOs of most anything you would want within
reason. But I'm thinking you probably had disks with printing/branding
in mind...

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Re: [BLUG] Live CDs/Install CDs

I have several I'd be glad to contribute. There's debian lenny netinst, ubuntu 10.10, slackware 13, gentoo minimal, arch, freebsd 8.0, plan 9, and 9atom. All were made in the past year.

I'm looking forward to the dinner. I'm a newcomer to the blug.

----- Original message -----
>
>    Anyone happen to have some recent Fedora, Ubuntu or other Linux
> distro's Live or Install CDs?  I wanted to give some out at the day
> 15000 party next week and it might be too late for me to get some from
> one of the distributor.
>
>    Thanks,
>    Mark
>
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Re: [BLUG] Live CDs/Install CDs

I have fedora, open suse, ubuntu, kubuntu, mandriva, and I think debian (lenny).  All made within the past year.

-Erik

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:

 Anyone happen to have some recent Fedora, Ubuntu or other Linux
distro's Live or Install CDs?  I wanted to give some out at the day
15000 party next week and it might be too late for me to get some from
one of the distributor.

 Thanks,
 Mark

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[BLUG] Live CDs/Install CDs

Anyone happen to have some recent Fedora, Ubuntu or other Linux
distro's Live or Install CDs? I wanted to give some out at the day
15000 party next week and it might be too late for me to get some from
one of the distributor.

Thanks,
Mark

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Wednesday, January 12, 2011

Re: [BLUG] signup bots

Thanks, yeah I already installed Captcha and ReCaptcha, hopefully
those will help.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 05:21:42PM GMT, Lord Drachenblut [lord.drachenblut@gmail.com] said the following:
> try looking at the mollom and recaptcha modules for drupal. they seem to
> have helped indianalinux.org alot
>
> cheers
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > It took exactly 3 hours 36 minutes for a signup bot to adjust to the
> > new Drupal based BLUG site. Sigh.
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from info@bloomingtonlinux.org -----
> >
> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:25:16 +0000 (GMT)
> > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.9 tests=NO_RELAYS
> > autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1
> > From: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
> > To: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
> > Subject: Account details for Ioqusimux at Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > (pending admin approval)
> >
> >
> > Ioqusimux has applied for an account.
> >
> > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/user/7/edit
> >
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> >
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>
>
>
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Re: [BLUG] signup bots

try looking at the mollom and recaptcha modules for drupal.  they seem to have helped indianalinux.org alot

cheers

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:

 It took exactly 3 hours 36 minutes for a signup bot to adjust to the
new Drupal based BLUG site. Sigh.

----- Forwarded message from info@bloomingtonlinux.org -----

Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:25:16 +0000 (GMT)
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.9 tests=NO_RELAYS
       autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1
From: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
To: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
Subject: Account details for Ioqusimux at Bloomington Linux Users Group (pending admin approval)


Ioqusimux has applied for an account.

http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/user/7/edit


----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [BLUG] signup bots

For me, simply making the form submission require Javascript is enough to fool the bots. I usually attach an observer/event listener on my submit button/link and simply submit the form via Javascript (you'll have to also cancel the current event in the case of a submit button that is an href). I've done this with both YUI and Prototype, if you'd like examples using either.

dosman
January 12, 2011 12:13 PM

The only anti-spam measures I've ever found to work on boards and
cms's was a login required to comment AND adding a custom form
question like "Are you a bot?" to the signup. Some boards like
Invision are sophisticated enough that you can create that in the
signup form and filter out signups that don't answer correctly by
using their admin interface, not hand-coding. That has obvious
benefits like not getting broken with each upgrade. By the time I
added a CAPTCHA to my PHPBB install years ago it was already busted by
a most spambots anyway, it barely put a dent in the spam.

I would think it to be possible to have a part of the package install
ask you to enter a unique question which a human could answer. The
admin would have to write the question, or questions so it's not
canned. But, if it's a wide-spread module or package in use, I guess
it basically comes down to randomness. A bot could just watch for form
questions in the signup which it doesn't recognize, that would
identify most anti-bot questions. Then it could attempt a login for
each choice to that question until it gets a success. Even if you
randomized which answer was a human reply, the bot could get away with
retrying the submission until the random question happened to use the
answer the bot was sending.

Gah, this is a difficult problem after all.

-Nathan



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Mark Krenz
January 12, 2011 7:53 AM

It took exactly 3 hours 36 minutes for a signup bot to adjust to the
new Drupal based BLUG site. Sigh.

----- Forwarded message from info@bloomingtonlinux.org -----

Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:25:16 +0000 (GMT)
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.9 tests=NO_RELAYS
autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1
From: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
To: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
Subject: Account details for Ioqusimux at Bloomington Linux Users Group (pending admin approval)


Ioqusimux has applied for an account.

http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/user/7/edit


----- End forwarded message -----




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Re: [BLUG] signup bots

The only anti-spam measures I've ever found to work on boards and
cms's was a login required to comment AND adding a custom form
question like "Are you a bot?" to the signup. Some boards like
Invision are sophisticated enough that you can create that in the
signup form and filter out signups that don't answer correctly by
using their admin interface, not hand-coding. That has obvious
benefits like not getting broken with each upgrade. By the time I
added a CAPTCHA to my PHPBB install years ago it was already busted by
a most spambots anyway, it barely put a dent in the spam.

I would think it to be possible to have a part of the package install
ask you to enter a unique question which a human could answer. The
admin would have to write the question, or questions so it's not
canned. But, if it's a wide-spread module or package in use, I guess
it basically comes down to randomness. A bot could just watch for form
questions in the signup which it doesn't recognize, that would
identify most anti-bot questions. Then it could attempt a login for
each choice to that question until it gets a success. Even if you
randomized which answer was a human reply, the bot could get away with
retrying the submission until the random question happened to use the
answer the bot was sending.

Gah, this is a difficult problem after all.

-Nathan


On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Mark Krenz wrote:

>
> It took exactly 3 hours 36 minutes for a signup bot to adjust to the
> new Drupal based BLUG site. Sigh.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from info@bloomingtonlinux.org -----
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:25:16 +0000 (GMT)
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.9 tests=NO_RELAYS
> autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1
> From: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
> To: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
> Subject: Account details for Ioqusimux at Bloomington Linux Users
> Group (pending admin approval)
>
>
> Ioqusimux has applied for an account.
>
> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/user/7/edit
>
>
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[BLUG] signup bots

It took exactly 3 hours 36 minutes for a signup bot to adjust to the
new Drupal based BLUG site. Sigh.

----- Forwarded message from info@bloomingtonlinux.org -----

Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:25:16 +0000 (GMT)
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.9 tests=NO_RELAYS
autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1
From: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
To: info@bloomingtonlinux.org
Subject: Account details for Ioqusimux at Bloomington Linux Users Group (pending admin approval)


Ioqusimux has applied for an account.

http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/user/7/edit


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Tuesday, January 11, 2011

Re: [BLUG] New BLUG website up too



On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:

 Wow, I'm just full of surprises tonight.  I started making a new BLUG
website. Here you go.

 http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/

 The goal was to make a website that showed how fun BLUG is more than
just have a list of dates, topics, etc.  We'll add those things later
though.

 I hope nobody minds that their picture is up on the site. I think we
need to take some better pictures for the site, that's all I could find
right now.

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Both websites look great!

Sid 

[BLUG] New BLUG website up too

Wow, I'm just full of surprises tonight. I started making a new BLUG
website. Here you go.

http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/

The goal was to make a website that showed how fun BLUG is more than
just have a list of dates, topics, etc. We'll add those things later
though.

I hope nobody minds that their picture is up on the site. I think we
need to take some better pictures for the site, that's all I could find
right now.

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[BLUG] Day 15000 website up

Here you go.

http://www.day15000.com/

Note quite done yet, but close enough for people to start looking.
Let me know what you think.

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[BLUG] Couple of things needed for the 15000 day party

So the plans for this 15000 epoch day party are rolling along. I
actually reserved Fountain Square Ballroom downtown for the evening of
the 25th from 5pm - 9pm for a 6-8 event. It will be called the "root
party". Hopefully we'll get other events like this going around the
world.

Does anyone on the list do any DJing and have a sound system? Or know
someone who does and could do the party for free? This would be a good
chance to practice or promote yourself.

Would anyone be interested in giving a high impact 20-30 minute
presentation on the history of Unix? Basically, something goody feely
that opens people's eyes to how much its actually used. I can provide a
projector and screen.

I could also use a little help on the evening of the event. Maybe one or
two more people to help with picking up food. Also, I was thinking to
stream the event over justin.tv or something similar that does
multicasting.

If anyone knows how to make a cool javascript clock or something for
the website that will count down to the moment of the switchover, I'd be
interested in getting your help. Its likely that this would be used
worldwide for all the parties count down as it was also done for the
1234567890 epoch second parties. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85EnRLs4ilY

Bloomington Geek Dinners has also expressed interest in having their
event at the party too so that will probably bring in 30 more people as
that's what their usual attendance is. I've had people write me about
promoting the event beyond Bloomington and I almost have a website
ready. I think this could end up being a worldwide event with parties
all over the place.

The overall idea of the event is to bring all people in the tech
community together to celebrate the longevity of the Unix and open way
in computing. I was also thinking of giving the party a theme like
"Dress like the past because Unix is the future" would make it more
interesting and get more people into it.

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Re: [BLUG] Unix epoch day 15000 coming up

On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 01:15:51PM +0000, Mark Krenz wrote:
> I was thinking of throwing a party and even help coordinate a global
> celebration via a forum. I wanted to ask, do you think this would be
> something interesting that you'd attend. I know its really geeky, but
> hey, so what.
>
> Suso is actually supposed to have one free use of the Fountain Square
> Ballroom once a year so we could use it for this and have a nice party
> that we'd pay for, have a cake, etc. and a meet and greet. I'll have to
> check if its available though.

Looks like it's on:

http://www.bloomingtongeekdinners.com/2011/01/day-15000-celebration-january-25th.html

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Monday, January 10, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Unix epoch day 15000 coming up

On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 01:15:51PM +0000, Mark Krenz wrote:
> So the 15000th day of unix epoch time is coming up. Epoch time being
> the number of seconds since Jan. 1st, 1970. Its on Wednesday, January
> 26th 2011 GMT, which rolls over on the 25th at 7pm Eastern Time. These
> 5000 day anniversaries only happen every 13 years, so its significant.
> Whole paradigms of computing come and go in 13 years.

Nerd. =)

> I was thinking of throwing a party and even help coordinate a global
> celebration via a forum. I wanted to ask, do you think this would be
> something interesting that you'd attend. I know its really geeky, but
> hey, so what.
>
> Suso is actually supposed to have one free use of the Fountain Square
> Ballroom once a year so we could use it for this and have a nice party
> that we'd pay for, have a cake, etc. and a meet and greet. I'll have to
> check if its available though.

I'd be up for another get-together, whether it's at FSM, Max's, Yogi's,
or wherever. We can all have some more nerd arguments, it's been
awhile.

<troll>BSD > GPL && vi > Emacs</troll>

-j

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Friday, January 7, 2011

[BLUG] Unix epoch day 15000 coming up

So the 15000th day of unix epoch time is coming up. Epoch time being
the number of seconds since Jan. 1st, 1970. Its on Wednesday, January
26th 2011 GMT, which rolls over on the 25th at 7pm Eastern Time. These
5000 day anniversaries only happen every 13 years, so its significant.
Whole paradigms of computing come and go in 13 years.

I was thinking of throwing a party and even help coordinate a global
celebration via a forum. I wanted to ask, do you think this would be
something interesting that you'd attend. I know its really geeky, but
hey, so what.

Suso is actually supposed to have one free use of the Fountain Square
Ballroom once a year so we could use it for this and have a nice party
that we'd pay for, have a cake, etc. and a meet and greet. I'll have to
check if its available though.

Awaiting your thoughts and feedback.

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Sunday, January 2, 2011

[BLUG] Call for presentations - Indiana LinuxFest

Right now we're in the call for presentations time for the upcoming
Indiana LinuxFest. If you're interested in giving a presentation,
please feel free to submit the proposal using the online form at:

http://www.indianalinux.org/cms/speaker_app

Indiana LinuxFest is a new conference devoted to Linux and Open Source
Software that will be held in Indianapolis on Saturday, March 26th.

Thanks,

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