[BLUG] N00b

Hello everyone.  I just started using Linux again and wanted to know when the next BLUG meeting is.  I saw in an earlier e-mail that the date might get changed.

-Steve B.

[BLUG] my newest project

I've started a new project called Life Begins @ 26.  I know this isn't Linux related and so I hope I don't upset anyone posting a link to the general list.  I just thought I'd share something I'm working with with everybody.  Again, I don't mean to offend!

http://www.lifebeginsat26.com

Ben

Re: [BLUG] September/October/November meeting conflict

Wednesday would be my first choice.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Barry Schatz <sorbetninja@gmail.com> wrote:

I got into the Citizen's Police Academy, which meets Tuesdays. This
means I can't make it to Tuesday BLUG meetings for the next three
months. Is there a change the meetings ni those months could be held a
different day of the week?

-Barry Schatz
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[BLUG] September/October/November meeting conflict

I got into the Citizen's Police Academy, which meets Tuesdays. This
means I can't make it to Tuesday BLUG meetings for the next three
months. Is there a change the meetings ni those months could be held a
different day of the week?

-Barry Schatz
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[BLUG] reminder- BLUG MEETING- Tues, Aug 12, 7:00PM

WHAT: BLUG meeting
WHEN: Tuesday, August 12, 7:00pm
WHERE: Yogi's Bar & Grill
WHY: Informal conversation and general socializing

Yogi's is located at the intersection of 10th Street and Indiana
Avenue. They have food if you want to eat, alcohol if you want to drink
it, and our under-21 friends are OK to join in.

In September, we'll be back at the library for a presentation.

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Re: [BLUG] BLUG MEETING- Tues, Aug 12

I'll still be there, unless everybody else bolts.  Good luck getting into the citizen's police academy, I thought that sounded like a blast!

Dave Cooley dcooley@kiva.net

Barry Schatz wrote:

How late will the meeting go? My girlfriend's dad will be in town and taking him to dinner is priority. I should be able to get to Yogi's around 8-8:30, but nothing is definite.  Also, I might have a conflict with the September meeting. Depending on whether I get into Bloomington PD's citizen police academy program, I won't be able to do Tuesday meetings until December. I'll update the list when I know for sure.  On 8/8/08, Dave Cooley <dcooley@kiva.net> wrote:   

Barry,  I don't remember Yogi's having Wi-Fi, but I could be wrong.  If you'd like to give your GPG presentation, I'd love to put you on the schedule for September's meeting; I know I'd learn a lot, and I suspect others will too.  Dave Cooley dcooley@kiva.net    Barry Schatz wrote:     

Will there be wifi? My girlfriend and I want to show off our n810s. Then again, she has hers paired to her cell phone. I'm the only one who might need wifi, I guess.  Also, if you have a GPG key, bring a copy of the fingerprint and a valid photo ID if you want to do some key signing. I don't think Yogi's would be the right place for that GPG presentation I was planning, but a key-signing party would be nice.  -Barry  Dave Cooley wrote:       

Shoot, sorry, the meeting is at 7:00pm.  Dave Cooley dcooley@kiva.net    Dave Cooley wrote:         

WHAT: BLUG meeting WHEN:  Tuesday, August 12 WHERE: Yogi's Bar & Grill WHY: Informal conversation and general socializing   Yogi's is located at the intersection of 10th Street and Indiana Avenue.  They have food if you want to eat, alcohol if you want to drink it, and our under-21 friends are OK to join in.  In September, we'll be back at the library for a presentation.            

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Re: [BLUG] BLUG MEETING- Tues, Aug 12

How late will the meeting go? My girlfriend's dad will be in town and
taking him to dinner is priority. I should be able to get to Yogi's
around 8-8:30, but nothing is definite.

Also, I might have a conflict with the September meeting. Depending on
whether I get into Bloomington PD's citizen police academy program, I
won't be able to do Tuesday meetings until December. I'll update the
list when I know for sure.

On 8/8/08, Dave Cooley <dcooley@kiva.net> wrote:
> Barry,
>
> I don't remember Yogi's having Wi-Fi, but I could be wrong. If you'd
> like to give your GPG presentation, I'd love to put you on the schedule
> for September's meeting; I know I'd learn a lot, and I suspect others
> will too.
>
> Dave Cooley
> dcooley@kiva.net
>
>
>
> Barry Schatz wrote:
>> Will there be wifi? My girlfriend and I want to show off our n810s.
>> Then again, she has hers paired to her cell phone. I'm the only one
>> who might need wifi, I guess.
>>
>> Also, if you have a GPG key, bring a copy of the fingerprint and a
>> valid photo ID if you want to do some key signing. I don't think
>> Yogi's would be the right place for that GPG presentation I was
>> planning, but a key-signing party would be nice.
>>
>> -Barry
>>
>> Dave Cooley wrote:
>>> Shoot, sorry, the meeting is at 7:00pm.
>>>
>>> Dave Cooley
>>> dcooley@kiva.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Cooley wrote:
>>>> WHAT: BLUG meeting
>>>> WHEN: Tuesday, August 12
>>>> WHERE: Yogi's Bar & Grill
>>>> WHY: Informal conversation and general socializing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yogi's is located at the intersection of 10th Street and Indiana
>>>> Avenue. They have food if you want to eat, alcohol if you want to
>>>> drink it, and our under-21 friends are OK to join in.
>>>>
>>>> In September, we'll be back at the library for a presentation.
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [BLUG] ID theft via wardriving (URL) (fwd)

If you have guests, you will need to lower your security or have a
separate access point for them to use. My friends use MAC address
filtering without security. I used to provide an Ethernet switch with
a bunch of cables for my guests, and I always keep a switch handy just
in case.
Also, if you're on news.grc.com you should look into Security Now!,
Steve's weekly podcast with Leo Laporte.

On 8/9/08, Beartooth <karhunhammas@lserv.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Steven Black wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0700, Beartooth wrote:
>
>>> So for those of us who don't want to provide access to
>>> every stranger within reach, what protection is good?
>>
>> The current rage is WPA2[1] / IEEE 802.11i[2]. This is what IU
>> is now using with its "IU Secure"[3] SSID.
>>
>> [1] http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge_center/wpa2/
>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11i-2004
>> [3] http://kb.iu.edu/data/awws.html (What is IU Secure?)
>
> I contacted my ISP, who assured me at once that I can use
> WPA-PSK and the MAC address list simultaneously; this is the
> first I've heard of WPA2 -- I'll ask about that.
>
> I don't remember if I mentioned that I'm on "wireless
> broadband," a new technology (iiuc) which started being rolled
> out a year or so ago. My transceiver, or whatever they're called,
> connects outside the house wirelessly to one on a water tower
> about a mile away; inside the house, it is modem, wired router,
> and when turned on wireless access point. It's a Netgear MBR814,
> a model sold only to ISPs. I don't know if it can be upgraded to
> WPA2, but will ask. I also don't know if it does encryption, but
> I do presume so; it's certainly claimed to be "safe," in some
> sense.
>
>> The MAC thing can be used, but with programmable MAC addresses,
>> if that's the only security a person can snoop on your network,
>> pick up your MAC address and simply reprogram their MAC
>> address. Then they can surf your network and everything gets
>> logged as if it were you. (Perhaps they want to watch your
>> house a little to make sure they pick times where you won't be
>> home.)
>
> That last would be an inconvenience for them; I've been
> fighting colitis for the last couple years, with the result that
> I go out seldom, unpredictably, and not for long.
>
>> Not to mention, that with just MAC filtering, all your
>> communication continues to be in the clear, so in addition to
>> poorly protecting your network, it doesn't protect your data at
>> all.
>>
>> To an extent it is like most security. It doesn't need to be
>> perfect, it just needs to be good enough that the criminals
>> look elsewhere.
>
> My thought exactly -- just like my precautions against
> burglary. As a long-time guns rights activist, as well as linux
> user and Net addict, I'm very familiar with that kind of
> thinking.
>
> For the present passphrase, I settled on a line of
> poetry, with a nice jumble of capitalization, punctuation, etc.,
> that my wife and I can both (hope to) remember. But if the
> Gibsonian random lines that Barry Schatz kindly pointed to* are
> usable, that must mean I need only c&p one into the router and
> each laptop, without need for memorizing -- right?
>
> What about house guests? One laptop (a thinkpad T42
> running, alas!, XP) exists primarily to run proprietary topo map
> software which interfaces with my GPSs -- especially on a
> passenger lap in the truck, or on my own lap if I have a driver.
> The other (a T30 thinkpad, running Fedora 7) exists primarily as
> a guest room amenity for people who don't bring their own.
> Neither is in routine use in the house; so, most of the time, the
> wireless access point is simply turned off.
>
> What of guests who do bring laptops? Will they be able to
> connect if I use a Gibson password?
>
> Finally, my heartfelt thanks for all the discussion.
>
> *(I've been subscribed to several lists at news.grc.com
> for umpteen years, and had never noticed the random password
> generator at grc.com.)
>
> --
> Beartooth Implacable, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert
> What do they know of country, who only country know?
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Re: [BLUG] ID theft via wardriving (URL) (fwd)

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Steven Black wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0700, Beartooth wrote:

>> So for those of us who don't want to provide access to
>> every stranger within reach, what protection is good?
>
> The current rage is WPA2[1] / IEEE 802.11i[2]. This is what IU
> is now using with its "IU Secure"[3] SSID.
>
> [1] http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge_center/wpa2/
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11i-2004
> [3] http://kb.iu.edu/data/awws.html (What is IU Secure?)

I contacted my ISP, who assured me at once that I can use
WPA-PSK and the MAC address list simultaneously; this is the
first I've heard of WPA2 -- I'll ask about that.

I don't remember if I mentioned that I'm on "wireless
broadband," a new technology (iiuc) which started being rolled
out a year or so ago. My transceiver, or whatever they're called,
connects outside the house wirelessly to one on a water tower
about a mile away; inside the house, it is modem, wired router,
and when turned on wireless access point. It's a Netgear MBR814,
a model sold only to ISPs. I don't know if it can be upgraded to
WPA2, but will ask. I also don't know if it does encryption, but
I do presume so; it's certainly claimed to be "safe," in some
sense.

> The MAC thing can be used, but with programmable MAC addresses,
> if that's the only security a person can snoop on your network,
> pick up your MAC address and simply reprogram their MAC
> address. Then they can surf your network and everything gets
> logged as if it were you. (Perhaps they want to watch your
> house a little to make sure they pick times where you won't be
> home.)

That last would be an inconvenience for them; I've been
fighting colitis for the last couple years, with the result that
I go out seldom, unpredictably, and not for long.

> Not to mention, that with just MAC filtering, all your
> communication continues to be in the clear, so in addition to
> poorly protecting your network, it doesn't protect your data at
> all.
>
> To an extent it is like most security. It doesn't need to be
> perfect, it just needs to be good enough that the criminals
> look elsewhere.

My thought exactly -- just like my precautions against
burglary. As a long-time guns rights activist, as well as linux
user and Net addict, I'm very familiar with that kind of
thinking.

For the present passphrase, I settled on a line of
poetry, with a nice jumble of capitalization, punctuation, etc.,
that my wife and I can both (hope to) remember. But if the
Gibsonian random lines that Barry Schatz kindly pointed to* are
usable, that must mean I need only c&p one into the router and
each laptop, without need for memorizing -- right?

What about house guests? One laptop (a thinkpad T42
running, alas!, XP) exists primarily to run proprietary topo map
software which interfaces with my GPSs -- especially on a
passenger lap in the truck, or on my own lap if I have a driver.
The other (a T30 thinkpad, running Fedora 7) exists primarily as
a guest room amenity for people who don't bring their own.
Neither is in routine use in the house; so, most of the time, the
wireless access point is simply turned off.

What of guests who do bring laptops? Will they be able to
connect if I use a Gibson password?

Finally, my heartfelt thanks for all the discussion.

*(I've been subscribed to several lists at news.grc.com
for umpteen years, and had never noticed the random password
generator at grc.com.)

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Re: [BLUG] BLUG MEETING- Tues, Aug 12

Barry,

I don't remember Yogi's having Wi-Fi, but I could be wrong. If you'd
like to give your GPG presentation, I'd love to put you on the schedule
for September's meeting; I know I'd learn a lot, and I suspect others
will too.

Dave Cooley
dcooley@kiva.net

Barry Schatz wrote:
> Will there be wifi? My girlfriend and I want to show off our n810s.
> Then again, she has hers paired to her cell phone. I'm the only one
> who might need wifi, I guess.
>
> Also, if you have a GPG key, bring a copy of the fingerprint and a
> valid photo ID if you want to do some key signing. I don't think
> Yogi's would be the right place for that GPG presentation I was
> planning, but a key-signing party would be nice.
>
> -Barry
>
> Dave Cooley wrote:
>> Shoot, sorry, the meeting is at 7:00pm.
>>
>> Dave Cooley
>> dcooley@kiva.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Cooley wrote:
>>> WHAT: BLUG meeting
>>> WHEN: Tuesday, August 12
>>> WHERE: Yogi's Bar & Grill
>>> WHY: Informal conversation and general socializing
>>>
>>>
>>> Yogi's is located at the intersection of 10th Street and Indiana
>>> Avenue. They have food if you want to eat, alcohol if you want to
>>> drink it, and our under-21 friends are OK to join in.
>>>
>>> In September, we'll be back at the library for a presentation.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
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Re: [BLUG] ID theft via wardriving (URL)

Jeremy Gaddis wrote:
> On 8/8/08 4:49 PM, "Barry Schatz" <sorbetninja@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> WPA (preferably WPA2) is the only reliable way to keep your network
>> secure. Hiding the SSID (the name of the network) and setting up MAC
>> address filters will keep people from using your network accidentally,
>> and WEP (the old encryption standard) will only block the people who
>> don't have the utility to crack it (takes <60 seconds to break WEP with
>> modern laptops). Lastly, use a strong passphrase for your network
>> encryption. https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm will give you a perfect
>> passphrase (especially if you use the random printable characters entry)
>> for your wireless network.
>>
>> This will keep your network plenty secured.
>>
>
> I'm still a big fan of requiring IPSec on the device, with the other
> endpoint being on the wired network (on another network segment), with the
> router in between being configured to only pass IPSec traffic.
>
> I wear a tin foil hat, though. =)
>
I tip my foil hat to you, sir. Then again, I don't know how to get my
n810 to do IPSec. I would love to centralize my logins and
authentication but I don't know where to start. Maybe you can show me at
the next meeting.
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Re: [BLUG] ID theft via wardriving (URL)

On 8/8/08 4:49 PM, "Barry Schatz" <sorbetninja@gmail.com> wrote:
> WPA (preferably WPA2) is the only reliable way to keep your network
> secure. Hiding the SSID (the name of the network) and setting up MAC
> address filters will keep people from using your network accidentally,
> and WEP (the old encryption standard) will only block the people who
> don't have the utility to crack it (takes <60 seconds to break WEP with
> modern laptops). Lastly, use a strong passphrase for your network
> encryption. https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm will give you a perfect
> passphrase (especially if you use the random printable characters entry)
> for your wireless network.
>
> This will keep your network plenty secured.

I'm still a big fan of requiring IPSec on the device, with the other
endpoint being on the wired network (on another network segment), with the
router in between being configured to only pass IPSec traffic.

I wear a tin foil hat, though. =)

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Re: [BLUG] ID theft via wardriving (URL) (fwd)

I second this completely.

WPA (preferably WPA2) is the only reliable way to keep your network
secure. Hiding the SSID (the name of the network) and setting up MAC
address filters will keep people from using your network accidentally,
and WEP (the old encryption standard) will only block the people who
don't have the utility to crack it (takes <60 seconds to break WEP with
modern laptops). Lastly, use a strong passphrase for your network
encryption. https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm will give you a perfect
passphrase (especially if you use the random printable characters entry)
for your wireless network.

This will keep your network plenty secured.

Steven Black wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0700, Beartooth wrote:
>
>> So for those of us who don't want to provide access to every stranger
>> within reach, what protection is good?
>>
>
> The current rage is WPA2[1] / IEEE 802.11i[2]. This is what IU is now
> using with its "IU Secure"[3] SSID.
>
> [1] http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge_center/wpa2/
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11i-2004
> [3] http://kb.iu.edu/data/awws.html (What is IU Secure?)
>
> The MAC thing can be used, but with programmable MAC addresses, if
> that's the only security a person can snoop on your network, pick up
> your MAC address and simply reprogram their MAC address. Then they can
> surf your network and everything gets logged as if it were you. (Perhaps
> they want to watch your house a little to make sure they pick times
> where you won't be home.)
>
> Not to mention, that with just MAC filtering, all your communication
> continues to be in the clear, so in addition to poorly protecting your
> network, it doesn't protect your data at all.
>
> To an extent it is like most security. It doesn't need to be perfect, it
> just needs to be good enough that the criminals look elsewhere.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>

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Re: [BLUG] ID theft via wardriving (URL) (fwd)

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0700, Beartooth wrote:
> So for those of us who don't want to provide access to every stranger
> within reach, what protection is good?

The current rage is WPA2[1] / IEEE 802.11i[2]. This is what IU is now
using with its "IU Secure"[3] SSID.

[1] http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge_center/wpa2/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11i-2004
[3] http://kb.iu.edu/data/awws.html (What is IU Secure?)

The MAC thing can be used, but with programmable MAC addresses, if
that's the only security a person can snoop on your network, pick up
your MAC address and simply reprogram their MAC address. Then they can
surf your network and everything gets logged as if it were you. (Perhaps
they want to watch your house a little to make sure they pick times
where you won't be home.)

Not to mention, that with just MAC filtering, all your communication
continues to be in the clear, so in addition to poorly protecting your
network, it doesn't protect your data at all.

To an extent it is like most security. It doesn't need to be perfect, it
just needs to be good enough that the criminals look elsewhere.

--
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Fingerprint: 108C 089C EFA4 832C BF07 78C2 DE71 5433 8596 FA8E

[BLUG] ID theft via wardriving (URL) (fwd)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7544083.stm

===== ===== ===== =====
The 11 suspects are alleged to have obtained card
numbers, account information and password details by driving
around neighborhoods and hacking into wireless equipment.
===== ===== ===== =====

So for those of us who don't want to provide access to
every stranger within reach, what protection is good?

When I came here (Blacksburg, where Virginia Tech is,
not Blmtn), Tech was allowing only machines with known MAC
addresses to connect. My router does that, when I turn on
wireless access; but Tech has since given it up in favor of
something else; I don't know what.

--
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Fedora 7, 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6;
Dillo 0.8, Epiphany 2, Firefox 2 & 3, Galeon 2, Opera 9
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Re: [BLUG] BLUG MEETING- Tues, Aug 12

Will there be wifi? My girlfriend and I want to show off our n810s. Then
again, she has hers paired to her cell phone. I'm the only one who might
need wifi, I guess.

Also, if you have a GPG key, bring a copy of the fingerprint and a valid
photo ID if you want to do some key signing. I don't think Yogi's would
be the right place for that GPG presentation I was planning, but a
key-signing party would be nice.

-Barry

Dave Cooley wrote:
> Shoot, sorry, the meeting is at 7:00pm.
>
> Dave Cooley
> dcooley@kiva.net
>
>
>
> Dave Cooley wrote:
>> WHAT: BLUG meeting
>> WHEN: Tuesday, August 12
>> WHERE: Yogi's Bar & Grill
>> WHY: Informal conversation and general socializing
>>
>>
>> Yogi's is located at the intersection of 10th Street and Indiana
>> Avenue. They have food if you want to eat, alcohol if you want to
>> drink it, and our under-21 friends are OK to join in.
>>
>> In September, we'll be back at the library for a presentation.
>>
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Re: [BLUG] BLUG MEETING- Tues, Aug 12

Shoot, sorry, the meeting is at 7:00pm.

Dave Cooley
dcooley@kiva.net

Dave Cooley wrote:
> WHAT: BLUG meeting
> WHEN: Tuesday, August 12
> WHERE: Yogi's Bar & Grill
> WHY: Informal conversation and general socializing
>
>
> Yogi's is located at the intersection of 10th Street and Indiana
> Avenue. They have food if you want to eat, alcohol if you want to
> drink it, and our under-21 friends are OK to join in.
>
> In September, we'll be back at the library for a presentation.
>
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[BLUG] BLUG MEETING- Tues, Aug 12

WHAT: BLUG meeting
WHEN: Tuesday, August 12
WHERE: Yogi's Bar & Grill
WHY: Informal conversation and general socializing

Yogi's is located at the intersection of 10th Street and Indiana
Avenue. They have food if you want to eat, alcohol if you want to drink
it, and our under-21 friends are OK to join in.

In September, we'll be back at the library for a presentation.

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RE: [BLUG] Open wireless connections

Opening your wireless is indeed a risk, but there are some strange benefits
of doing this besides the grass-roots ideology of free and open network
access. It appears that it can actually be used to provide a plausible
deniability defense when the RIAA comes knocking on your door for copyright
infringement.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060727/1131227.shtml

Overall, open your network at your own risk. You might be inviting the RIAA
in your front door and have to use this defense tactic as a last resort. I
don't think I'll take the chance.

Dirk

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Purdom [mailto:pwp@cs.indiana.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:45 PM
To: Bloomington LINUX Users Group
Subject: Re: [BLUG] Open wireless connections

Steven Black wrote
>
> If you ever plan to actually *need* bandwidth to do work, then you need
> to be aware that when you need the bandwidth may conflict with when your
> neighbor needs to watch that movie from Netflix. There's nothing like
> other people streaming media to soak up your bandwidth.
>
I guess I need bandwidth occasionally, but not most of the time. I am
guessing that there must be a software solution to control who gets how
much bandwidth when I need control. (Perhaps, there is already an answer
to that question. On the road, I have not yet had time to read the more
detailed replies with full understanding.)

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[BLUG] Extra Drum Corps Championships ticket

I know, this is off topic, but you are people who I know:

I have an extra ticket for the Drum Corps World Championships happening
here in Bloomington this Saturday. The seat location is pretty good,
about half way up on the right side, but close to the center. The
exactly location is 8R Row 47 seat 107. The ticket is $75, but I'm
selling it for $50 to help get it sold. I have an extra ticket because
one of the people in my party can't make it. Please let me know by
tomorrow if you are interested. Or if you know someone who would want
it, let them know and get them in touch with me.

Mark

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Re: [BLUG] Open wireless connections

Steven Black wrote
>
> If you ever plan to actually *need* bandwidth to do work, then you need
> to be aware that when you need the bandwidth may conflict with when your
> neighbor needs to watch that movie from Netflix. There's nothing like
> other people streaming media to soak up your bandwidth.
>
I guess I need bandwidth occasionally, but not most of the time. I am
guessing that there must be a software solution to control who gets how
much bandwidth when I need control. (Perhaps, there is already an answer
to that question. On the road, I have not yet had time to read the more
detailed replies with full understanding.)

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Re: [BLUG] Open wireless connections (was: Re: IU VPN connection on Linux)

On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:04:44PM -0400, Paul Purdom wrote:
> [...] Does anyone reading this group
> know any reasons why it would be unwise to set up an open wireless
> system? If there are potential dangers, are there cures?

My father has an open wireless connection at his house. He's out in the
country, in a house surrounded by trees, and his is the only SSID a
person can reach in his house (and it doesn't cover his whole house). In
fact, he's far enough in the country that only one cell phone network
reliably covers his area. He gets a lot of company at his place, though,
and it makes more sense for him to just leave the network open. His
driveway is also long enough that you can't pick up the network from the
street.

I, on the other hand, live in a rented condo. I've seen a dozen SSIDs
show up. My primary concern is with people soaking up my bandwidth. I
don't care what they're downloading, be it warez or porn or infringing
upon copyright of music or video. Really, I don't even care if they're
just downloading ISOs of Linux and software from SourceForge. It is my
bandwidth, and I have enough ways of using it on my own.

I can be a bandwidth hog. My wife can be a bandwidth hog. My inlaws next
door (who have access to our WiFi network) can be bandwidth hogs. I
don't need random bandwidth hogs on my network.

If you ever plan to actually *need* bandwidth to do work, then you need
to be aware that when you need the bandwidth may conflict with when your
neighbor needs to watch that movie from Netflix. There's nothing like
other people streaming media to soak up your bandwidth.

Cheers,

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Re: [BLUG] On modifying /etc/resolv.conf (was: Re:IU VPN connection on Linux)

On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 12:52:10AM -0400, initech wrote:
> [...] (it only took a
> little additional twiddling with /etc/resolv.conf). [...]

For those familiar with older manually configured /etc/resolv.conf
files, you may be in for a shock if on an dist. upgrade or simple
package install you suddenly get 'resolvconf' installed. 'resolvconf'[1]
allows programs which dynamically modify /etc/resolv.conf to do this in
a more sane manner.

The problem, however, is that 'resolvconf' over-writes /etc/resolv.conf
once it starts, and if that's the canonical location of your DNS
information, you can suddenly find yourself without valid DNS access.

I've had this happen simply due to installing packages which
recommend/depend upon it. This caused it to get installed, and that
caused my DNS information to be lost. (In Ubuntu it is in 'universe'[2]
at this point. That may not always be the case, though.)

For static DNS information, instead of putting it in /etc/resolv.conf,
you'll want to start putting it in /etc/interfaces/network. (If only to
back up the information, now that you know resolv.conf may be lost.)
There are new options associated with 'iface's which allow these to be
set there ("dns-nameservers" and "dns-search").

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolvconf
[2] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/resolvconf

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Re: [BLUG] New GPG key

To elaborate, the web of trust provides authentication. If you get a pgp
encrypted email from someone you don't know, you also don't know that
the sender is who he or she claims to be. You can, however, check the
signatures on the sender's key and make a rather accurate guess how
honest the person is.

It's fine to trust the keys of people you know, but sometimes you can't
verify the key fingerprint over a secure channel beforehand. It's open
to a man-in-the-middle attack. But if a trusted third party signs the
key, you can be reasonably sure of the sender.

With distributed development, pgp becomes a necessity in order to
digitally sign things to authenticate the sender. For example, Debian
(and Ubuntu) packages are signed so you know they came from their
maintainer and not some shady other person who wants to install a
backdoor in your email server.

I offered to do a presentation for BLUG on asymmetric crypto and PGP/GPG
some time ago, and I think I need to get it ready sooner rather than
later. There's a lot of information to distill.

Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> Joe Auty wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> I don't mean to sound like a complete jerk, but what is the draw with
>> these key signing parties? Is it some sort of social thing? I only
>> really feel compelled to have keys for people that send me critical
>> information I might want to authorize and/or encrypt. For casual
>> correspondence like this list and most chatting, I guess I haven't
>> gotten caught up in collecting public keys.
>>
>> Am I missing the point here? Again, I don't mean to sound critical of
>> the practice, I'm honestly wondering if I'm missing some angle here...
>>
>
> The draw is expanding the web of trust. If you ever want to join a
> project like Debian that requires you already be in a specific web of
> trust, participating in key signing parties helps out.
>
> Key signing parties are more for the verification that Person X most
> likely controls key X and also has shown photo ID that matches the name
> on the key.
>
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Re: [BLUG] New GPG key

Joe Auty wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I don't mean to sound like a complete jerk, but what is the draw with
> these key signing parties? Is it some sort of social thing? I only
> really feel compelled to have keys for people that send me critical
> information I might want to authorize and/or encrypt. For casual
> correspondence like this list and most chatting, I guess I haven't
> gotten caught up in collecting public keys.
>
> Am I missing the point here? Again, I don't mean to sound critical of
> the practice, I'm honestly wondering if I'm missing some angle here...

The draw is expanding the web of trust. If you ever want to join a
project like Debian that requires you already be in a specific web of
trust, participating in key signing parties helps out.

Key signing parties are more for the verification that Person X most
likely controls key X and also has shown photo ID that matches the name
on the key.

RE: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

Thanks a lot for the help in getting the VPN working.  I can now connect to the IUPUI VPN using the PPTP connector from the IUWareOnline site (it only took a little additional twiddling with /etc/resolv.conf).  I’ll have to play with the IU Secure setup, but it doesn’t look too difficult.  The house is now going all Linux.

 

Dirk

 

 

---

From: Abhishek K [mailto:abbyzcool@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:20 PM
To: Bloomington LINUX Users Group
Subject: Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

 

This comes from someone who has used open wireless networks in the past (and runs an open wireless n/w now).
People have started taking pride in "opening up" their wireless networks, and it has gained momentum with several such initiatives that strive towards creating a open, shared wireless community.
You might be interested in looking at --

http://www.open-mesh.com/
http://www.free2air.org/?op=special&page=faq

Bruce Schneier had blogged about his reasons for running an open wireless network (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/my_open_wireles.html) although I have also read counter-views about people violating and/or misusing the open wireless network. It makes much sense to join an existing open wireless network since their use is protected by agreements which prevent the user from abusing the network.

 -- Abhishek

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Paul Purdom <pwp@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:

I am in CA using the open wireless connection of a neighbor of the people I am visiting. The signal is weak, and it appears the owners of the connection kick me off from time to time. Anyway, it is very nice to have this connection, so I have been thinking about setting up an open connection in my home once I get back. Does anyone reading this group know any reasons why it would be unwise to set up an open wireless system? If there are potential dangers, are there cures?

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Re: [BLUG] New GPG key

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I don't mean to sound like a complete jerk, but what is the draw with
these key signing parties? Is it some sort of social thing? I only
really feel compelled to have keys for people that send me critical
information I might want to authorize and/or encrypt. For casual
correspondence like this list and most chatting, I guess I haven't
gotten caught up in collecting public keys.

Am I missing the point here? Again, I don't mean to sound critical of
the practice, I'm honestly wondering if I'm missing some angle here...

Michael Schultheiss wrote:
| Barry Schatz wrote:
|> Did you mean Ohio LinuxFest? That's October 10-11. I will be in Ohio.
|
| No, I meant IU LinuxFest. I'll also be at Ohio LinuxFest on October 11
| if people want to do a keysigning there as well.
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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

From the Schneier blog:
"Remember when I said that I keep my home wireless network open? Here's a reason not to listen to me."
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/08/terrorists_usin.html


I keep my router secure with WPA2 and one of Steve Gibson's perfect wifi passwords (63 pseudorandom printable characters).
https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

If you want to use someone else's network, ask them first. If you want to share your network, understand the risks and how to properly mitigate them. Logging, network segregation, domain blocking, and multi-tier firewalls all help.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Jeremy L. Gaddis <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu> wrote:

On 8/5/08 6:04 PM, "Paul Purdom" <pwp@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> I am in CA using the open wireless connection of a neighbor of the
> people I am visiting. The signal is weak, and it appears the owners of
> the connection kick me off from time to time. Anyway, it is very nice to
> have this connection, so I have been thinking about setting up an open
> connection in my home once I get back. Does anyone reading this group
> know any reasons why it would be unwise to set up an open wireless
> system? If there are potential dangers, are there cures?

Depends.

Do you mind someone parking on your street, using your wifi to download
child porn, and subsequently trying to prove to a jury of your peers that it
wasn't you?

--
Jeremy L. Gaddis
Network Administrator
Ivy Tech Community College
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[BLUG] Fwd: Professional Systems Coordinator Job at IU

Hi BLUG Owner,

I would be most grateful if you would post the appended email to the
BLUG
mailing list. Thanks greatly.

Fred Luehring
IU Physics

Hi BLUG Members,

I would like to direct your attention to the following PA2-IT
(professional classification) job with the title "Computer Systems
Coordinator" in the IU Astronomy and Physics departments:

https://webdb.iu.edu/humanresources/secure/app-new/it_browse.cfm#00032580

We are very interested in interviewing applicants that have Linux and/or
Unix
system administration experience though familiarity with Windows and Mac
OS is
also needed. The job responsibilities are a mixture of user support and
system
administration. Please see the listing for full details.

Instructions for applying for a professional job at IU can be found at:

http://www.indiana.edu/~uhrs/jobs/OLA-staff.html

Thanks greatly.

Fred Luehring
On behalf of the Astronomy and Physics Depts.

PS Feel free to pass this information on to anyone who you think would be
qualified and interested in applying.

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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

On 8/5/08 6:04 PM, "Paul Purdom" <pwp@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> I am in CA using the open wireless connection of a neighbor of the
> people I am visiting. The signal is weak, and it appears the owners of
> the connection kick me off from time to time. Anyway, it is very nice to
> have this connection, so I have been thinking about setting up an open
> connection in my home once I get back. Does anyone reading this group
> know any reasons why it would be unwise to set up an open wireless
> system? If there are potential dangers, are there cures?

Depends.

Do you mind someone parking on your street, using your wifi to download
child porn, and subsequently trying to prove to a jury of your peers that it
wasn't you?

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Network Administrator
Ivy Tech Community College
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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

This comes from someone who has used open wireless networks in the past (and runs an open wireless n/w now).
People have started taking pride in "opening up" their wireless networks, and it has gained momentum with several such initiatives that strive towards creating a open, shared wireless community.
You might be interested in looking at --

http://www.open-mesh.com/
http://www.free2air.org/?op=special&page=faq

Bruce Schneier had blogged about his reasons for running an open wireless network (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/my_open_wireles.html) although I have also read counter-views about people violating and/or misusing the open wireless network. It makes much sense to join an existing open wireless network since their use is protected by agreements which prevent the user from abusing the network.

 -- Abhishek

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Paul Purdom <pwp@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:

I am in CA using the open wireless connection of a neighbor of the people I am visiting. The signal is weak, and it appears the owners of the connection kick me off from time to time. Anyway, it is very nice to have this connection, so I have been thinking about setting up an open connection in my home once I get back. Does anyone reading this group know any reasons why it would be unwise to set up an open wireless system? If there are potential dangers, are there cures?

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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

I am in CA using the open wireless connection of a neighbor of the
people I am visiting. The signal is weak, and it appears the owners of
the connection kick me off from time to time. Anyway, it is very nice to
have this connection, so I have been thinking about setting up an open
connection in my home once I get back. Does anyone reading this group
know any reasons why it would be unwise to set up an open wireless
system? If there are potential dangers, are there cures?

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Re: [BLUG] New GPG key

Is there a website for the IU LinuxFest? I might try to go to that one
as well.

Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> Barry Schatz wrote:
>
>> Did you mean Ohio LinuxFest? That's October 10-11. I will be in Ohio.
>>
>
> No, I meant IU LinuxFest. I'll also be at Ohio LinuxFest on October 11
> if people want to do a keysigning there as well.
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Re: [BLUG] New GPG key

Barry Schatz wrote:
> Did you mean Ohio LinuxFest? That's October 10-11. I will be in Ohio.

No, I meant IU LinuxFest. I'll also be at Ohio LinuxFest on October 11
if people want to do a keysigning there as well.
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Re: [BLUG] New GPG key

Did you mean Ohio LinuxFest? That's October 10-11. I will be in Ohio.

-Barry

Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> Steven Black wrote:
>
>> This is just an FYI. My last GPG key expired, so I've a new one.
>>
>> I really should've caught it and signed the new one with the old one. :/
>>
>> We should have a key signing party sometime.
>>
>
> I'll be at IU LinuxFest on October 10 at the IMU.
>
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Re: [BLUG] New GPG key

Steven Black wrote:
> This is just an FYI. My last GPG key expired, so I've a new one.
>
> I really should've caught it and signed the new one with the old one. :/
>
> We should have a key signing party sometime.

I'll be at IU LinuxFest on October 10 at the IMU.

[BLUG] New GPG key

This is just an FYI. My last GPG key expired, so I've a new one.

I really should've caught it and signed the new one with the old one. :/

We should have a key signing party sometime.

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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 11:20:58AM -0400, Steven Black wrote:
> "IU Secure" SSID. http://kb.iu.edu/data/awws.html
>
> Currently there are live docs to set it up for Vista, XP, OS X, and iPhone.

It looks like the Linux documentation is in "DRAFT" state right now.
Available, but not currently searchable.

http://kb.iu.edu/data/axig.html

There's specific documentation for using IU Secure with Ubuntu 8.04,
Fedora 9, and openSUSE 11.

Cheers,
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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

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I do not think the VPN will be going away. The IU Secure SSID does let
you get full network access to all services without the VPN, if you are
OFF campus and in the cloud you will still need the VPN to get an IU IP
address. There are services that also utilize the VPN to restrict
services (some Library online materials) for licensing reasons. I do
not see VPN going away for some time, but one should always keep one's
ear to the ground.

Robert

Steven Black wrote:
> VPN for Wireless access will eventually be going away, to be replaced with the
> "IU Secure" SSID. http://kb.iu.edu/data/awws.html
>
> Currently there are live docs to set it up for Vista, XP, OS X, and iPhone.
>
> I know they've been working on getting documentation for Linux to set this up,
> but it isn't in the KB yet. The author sent me a draft, and I've pinged him to
> see if I could pass it here.
>
> IU Secure is much, much nicer than VPN. Most notably, you can change buildings
> and not drop your connections.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 09:45:43PM -0400, initech wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone gotten the IU or IUPUI VPN connection to work on Linux? I am
>> running Xubuntu on an older laptop and my wife is taking it to IUPUI next week
>> for some classes. She needs to connect to the IUPUI VPN over wireless while
>> there. My wireless works fine and we can connect to the IUPUI VPN on my XP box
>> using the downloaded VPN connector from IUWare Online and her credentials.
>> I've been using the information from http://www.ussg.iu.edu/support/
>> documentation#iuvpn but can't seem to get a connection.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this works, she'll willingly switch the whole house over to Linux (though we
>> may keep a dual-booted XP machine around just in case). I'd appreciate any
>> help on this matter so I can ditch XP as a daily OS in the house and get her
>> onboard with Linux.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dirk
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

VPN for Wireless access will eventually be going away, to be replaced with the
"IU Secure" SSID. http://kb.iu.edu/data/awws.html

Currently there are live docs to set it up for Vista, XP, OS X, and iPhone.

I know they've been working on getting documentation for Linux to set this up,
but it isn't in the KB yet. The author sent me a draft, and I've pinged him to
see if I could pass it here.

IU Secure is much, much nicer than VPN. Most notably, you can change buildings
and not drop your connections.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 09:45:43PM -0400, initech wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone gotten the IU or IUPUI VPN connection to work on Linux? I am
> running Xubuntu on an older laptop and my wife is taking it to IUPUI next week
> for some classes. She needs to connect to the IUPUI VPN over wireless while
> there. My wireless works fine and we can connect to the IUPUI VPN on my XP box
> using the downloaded VPN connector from IUWare Online and her credentials.
> I've been using the information from http://www.ussg.iu.edu/support/
> documentation#iuvpn but can't seem to get a connection.
>
>
>
> If this works, she'll willingly switch the whole house over to Linux (though we
> may keep a dual-booted XP machine around just in case). I'd appreciate any
> help on this matter so I can ditch XP as a daily OS in the house and get her
> onboard with Linux.
>
>
>
> Dirk
>
>
>

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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

initech wrote:
> Has anyone gotten the IU or IUPUI VPN connection to work on Linux? I
> am running Xubuntu on an older laptop and my wife is taking it to IUPUI
> next week for some classes. She needs to connect to the IUPUI VPN over
> wireless while there. My wireless works fine and we can connect to the
> IUPUI VPN on my XP box using the downloaded VPN connector from IUWare
> Online and her credentials. I've been using the information from
> [1]http://www.ussg.iu.edu/support/documentation#iuvpn but can't seem to
> get a connection.
>
>
> If this works, she'll willingly switch the whole house over to Linux
> (though we may keep a dual-booted XP machine around just in case). I'd
> appreciate any help on this matter so I can ditch XP as a daily OS in
> the house and get her onboard with Linux.

As someone else mentioned, the VPN scripts from IUWare should work for
most Linux distributions. Also, the wireless setup at IUB and IUPUI
recently changed and VPN is only needed for specific situations that
don't apply to most faculty/staff/students.
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Re: [BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

Dirk,

I can connect to the IU VPN from my laptop (running Ubuntu Hardy 8.04). AFAIR, there were issues with Ubuntu Hardy initially, but I had got it going with a few workarounds. That said, the new IU VPN Linux installer on IUWARE should work out-of-the-box.

http://iuware.iu.edu/list.aspx?id=134

(I use the Linux VPN PPTP script for IU)

Cheers,
  --ab

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, initech <initech@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone gotten the IU or IUPUI VPN connection to work on Linux?  I am running Xubuntu on an older laptop and my wife is taking it to IUPUI next week for some classes.  She needs to connect to the IUPUI VPN over wireless while there.  My wireless works fine and we can connect to the IUPUI VPN on my XP box using the downloaded VPN connector from IUWare Online and her credentials.  I've been using the information from http://www.ussg.iu.edu/support/documentation#iuvpn but can't seem to get a connection. 

 

If this works, she'll willingly switch the whole house over to Linux (though we may keep a dual-booted XP machine around just in case).  I'd appreciate any help on this matter so I can ditch XP as a daily OS in the house and get her onboard with Linux.

 

Dirk

 

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[BLUG] IU VPN connection on Linux

Hi,

Has anyone gotten the IU or IUPUI VPN connection to work on Linux?  I am running Xubuntu on an older laptop and my wife is taking it to IUPUI next week for some classes.  She needs to connect to the IUPUI VPN over wireless while there.  My wireless works fine and we can connect to the IUPUI VPN on my XP box using the downloaded VPN connector from IUWare Online and her credentials.  I’ve been using the information from http://www.ussg.iu.edu/support/documentation#iuvpn but can’t seem to get a connection. 

 

If this works, she’ll willingly switch the whole house over to Linux (though we may keep a dual-booted XP machine around just in case).  I’d appreciate any help on this matter so I can ditch XP as a daily OS in the house and get her onboard with Linux.

 

Dirk

 

[BLUG] Tron 2

I know that some of you guys are Tron fans...

Did you hear that they are working on a Tron 2, called Tr2n? John
Lasseter, the brains behind Pixar is working on it. You can watch a
bootleg trailer of the movie here:

http://tron-2-trailer.blogspot.com/2008/07/tron-2-bootleg-trailer.html

Info:

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/31/the-real-truth-behind-tr2ns-comic-con-surprise/

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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

On Saturday 02 August 2008 11:37:17 am David M. Moore wrote:
> I'm firmly on the list of those interested in the OpenMoko, but I have
> one nagging question...which is why I'm now posting here :-)
>
> Is there any carrier in the central Indiana area that will let the
> phone be put on their network without hassle?
>
> I've been a Verizon customer for almost 12 years now, so I have no
> knowledge what so ever of the GSM side of the coin. I'm coming up on
> my next "new every 2" in September. While I'm very happy with
> Verizon, the OpenMoko could make me jump ship if any of the local
> carriers will let it be used...assuming that I can find one to buy, of
> course, since the OpenMoko store seems to be perpetually "out of
> stock".
>
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if you are going for the the freerunner you shouldn't have a problem. a
unlocked gsm phone should be used on any gsm carrier with out a problem.

Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

Also, if AT&T hasn't been impressing you, you might want to steer clear
of the iPhone. It is the only carrier available to those who buy an
iPhone. This may have changed with the newest iPhone, but I'm not sure.
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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

I'm firmly on the list of those interested in the OpenMoko, but I have
one nagging question...which is why I'm now posting here :-)

Is there any carrier in the central Indiana area that will let the
phone be put on their network without hassle?

I've been a Verizon customer for almost 12 years now, so I have no
knowledge what so ever of the GSM side of the coin. I'm coming up on
my next "new every 2" in September. While I'm very happy with
Verizon, the OpenMoko could make me jump ship if any of the local
carriers will let it be used...assuming that I can find one to buy, of
course, since the OpenMoko store seems to be perpetually "out of
stock".

David
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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

Matt Standish wrote:
>
>
> Matt Standish wrote:
>
> Me too, I am in the market for a new phone and am not
> impressed
> with what I see at AT&T.
>
>
> Including the iPhone?
>
>
>
> I like the iPhone. I don't like iTunes.
>
>
> Would that be a deterrent if you were simply using iTunes as a means
> to sync with your phone periodically?
>
>
>
> I doubt it. I don't have a Windows or Mac box available. I know wine
> will do iTunes but is it worth the effort? Can you run ssh on the iPhone?
>

There are people that have gotten SSH to work with the whole
jailbreaking thing, which is apparently very easy to do.

I don't even know if you'd need iTunes either, since Address Book and
Calendar syncing would be a no-go I believe, although you could sync
your music (if it wasn't OGG formated)...

I'm personally not interested in an iPhone, but I have to admit, it is
by far the most impressive phone I've ever seen.

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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

   Matt Standish wrote:

       Me too, I am in the market for a new phone and am not impressed
       with what I see at AT&T.


   Including the iPhone?



I like the iPhone. I don't like iTunes.

Would that be a deterrent if you were simply using iTunes as a means to sync with your phone periodically?

I doubt it. I don't have a Windows or Mac box available. I know wine will do iTunes but is it worth the effort? Can you run ssh on the iPhone?

Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

Matt Standish wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org
> <mailto:joe@netmusician.org>> wrote:
>
> Matt Standish wrote:
>
> Me too, I am in the market for a new phone and am not impressed
> with what I see at AT&T.
>
>
> Including the iPhone?
>
>
>
> I like the iPhone. I don't like iTunes.
>

Would that be a deterrent if you were simply using iTunes as a means to
sync with your phone periodically?

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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:

Matt Standish wrote:

Me too, I am in the market for a new phone and am not impressed with what I see at AT&T.

Including the iPhone?

I like the iPhone. I don't like iTunes.

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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

Matt Standish wrote:
> Me too, I am in the market for a new phone and am not impressed with
> what I see at AT&T.
>

Including the iPhone?

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Steven Black <blacks@indiana.edu
> <mailto:blacks@indiana.edu>> wrote:
>
> If someone has one, I'd love to hear a review about it.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:33:10PM -0400, Matt Zink wrote:
> > Hey Everyone:
> > Kind of a tangent from yesterday's discussion about LiMo phones -
> has anyone
> > purchased one of the OpenMoko phones (Neo 1973 = developer's version,
> > Freerunner = consumer version)? If so, would you contact me off
> list at
> > matthewzin@gmail.com <mailto:matthewzin@gmail.com>? I'd
> appreciate it.
> > Matt
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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

Me too, I am in the market for a new phone and am not impressed with what I see at AT&T.

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Steven Black <blacks@indiana.edu> wrote:

If someone has one, I'd love to hear a review about it.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:33:10PM -0400, Matt Zink wrote:
> Hey Everyone:
> Kind of a tangent from yesterday's discussion about LiMo phones - has anyone
> purchased one of the OpenMoko phones (Neo 1973 = developer's version,
> Freerunner = consumer version)?  If so, would you contact me off list at
> matthewzin@gmail.com?  I'd appreciate it.
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Re: [BLUG] More OpenMoko

If someone has one, I'd love to hear a review about it.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:33:10PM -0400, Matt Zink wrote:
> Hey Everyone:
> Kind of a tangent from yesterday's discussion about LiMo phones - has anyone
> purchased one of the OpenMoko phones (Neo 1973 = developer's version,
> Freerunner = consumer version)? If so, would you contact me off list at
> matthewzin@gmail.com? I'd appreciate it.
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[BLUG] More OpenMoko

Hey Everyone:
Kind of a tangent from yesterday's discussion about LiMo phones - has anyone purchased one of the OpenMoko phones (Neo 1973 = developer's version, Freerunner = consumer version)?  If so, would you contact me off list at matthewzin@gmail.com?  I'd appreciate it.
Matt

Re: [BLUG] LiMo Phones, Plans

The onscreen thumbboard version has keys roughly the same size or
bigger than the hardware thumbboard on the n810, it just takes up
screen real estate while being used.

I never really tried interactive stuff like pine, but I would whip
bash out real quick and do some minor network checking (ping this,
tracepath that...) or run a simple ssh command or two on the server
(start or restart a service, f'r'instance).

It also connects right up to our VoIP server as a phone (which, if
you're comfortable wearing a goofy bluetooth headset isn't bad; I tend
not to use it unless I'm nowhere near a "real" phone).

Re: the memory slots, yeah, I keep an 8GB card in the internal slot,
and the external one is still available.

Re: the FM radio, I rarely if ever use it, but if you're into radio
it's pretty neat; you can either scan through the frequencies, or have
it download a list of local radio stations so you can navigate them by
call letters.

Simón

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Josh Goodman <jogoodman@gmail.com> wrote:
> How usable is the onscreen keyboard for the 800? Is it good enough to be
> able to occasionally ssh into a server without going insane? I'm not
> talking about completely working remotely via either tablet, I'm thinking
> more along the lines of checking on running jobs and using pine. I've been
> mulling over getting one or the other and the hardware keyboard seems really
> appealing. Aside from that I prefer the 2 memory slots and FM radio that
> the N800 has.
>
> Josh

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