Friday, November 13, 2009

Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

Joe Auty wrote:
[...]
> I like Ubuntu, and I like Linux (especially on the server end of
> things), but we are so incredibly far away from the "year of Linux on
> the Desktop" it's sort of laughable.
>
> The upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10 has been a disaster for many, this has been
> widely documented online.
[...]
> I realize that every OS has its strengths and weaknesses, and I realize
> that Ubuntu is not designed to be a more conservative sort of Linux OS
> like Debian.
[...]
> My main point is more of a question. Why doesn't the Ubuntu team put a
> hold on adding new features and just work their butts off getting the
> mundane unsexy stuff to work, and in improving performance overall?
[...]
> I realize that Ubuntu may not be the most conservative choice for this
> criteria, but it is also the first Desktop Linux OS that comes to mind
> for most people.

You've answered your own question. Ubuntu is *not* a conservative,
stability-oriented distro. If that's what you want, then don't use
Ubuntu. There are plenty of other distros out there that are more
conservative, more stable, reasonably current, and yet are still known
as "user-friendly". My distro of choice, SimplyMEPIS, is one of them.
I'll grant you that Ubuntu has the largest "mind share" and gets the
most publicity, but I'll argue that it's not the best choice for an
unsophisticated user wanting to migrate from Windows.

IMO, the best Ubuntu release was Dapper. You might recall that Dapper is
v6.06, *not* v6.04 as originally intended. Why? Because it wasn't ready
in April; it wasn't until June that they had it stabilized to the point
that they felt it could/should be released. Since then, they've met
their target release dates, stability be damned.

--
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318

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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

That explains why the boot procedure stops at the GRUB> prompt since your grub.conf was trashed.  If you know how to create one, all you have to do is to boot to the Centos CD/DVD and at the stage when it's about to start installation, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to go to the alternative console and try to mount your / and /boot partitions.  This way, you can use vim to create a correct grub.conf.  E.g., at the shell prompt of the alternative console, do (assuming that your /boot is on /dev/sdb1 and / is on /dev/sdb3),

mkdir foo
mount /dev/sdb3 /foo
mount /dev/sdb1 /foo/boot
vi /foo/boot/grub/grub.conf
    # create a correct one here
/foo/sbin/grub
grub> root (hd0,0)
grub> setup (hd0)
grub> exit
umount /foo/boot
umount /foo


Reboot.  Let me know if you need help.

Good luck!
Shing-Shong

well, the 'cat (hd0,0)/grub/grub.conf' got me about 300 ? marks and that was it.  i'll be googling all weekend long!   

Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

well, the 'cat (hd0,0)/grub/grub.conf' got me about 300 ? marks and that was it.

i'll be googling all weekend long!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shing-Shong Shei" <shei@cs.indiana.edu>
To: "Bloomington LINUX Users Group" <blug@cs.indiana.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:16:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

You need to give more information before I can help:

1) what's your partition layout? Do you have a separate /boot
partition? If so, do you know its partition number? In my case, I have
/boot in /dev/sda1 which corresponds to (hd0,0) in grub's term. So I
can do 'cat (hd0,0)/grub/grub.conf' at the 'GRUB>' prompt to check the
contents of the grub.conf.
2) if you can see the contents of grub.conf, there are two things to try:

a) enter 'configfile (hd0,0)/grub/grub.conf' at the 'GRUB>' prompt
and see if you can boot to the kernel specified in the grub.conf
b) if it works (booting to the system you just updated), then do
'/sbin/grub' and try to set up the MBA as in
grub> root (hd0,0)
grub> setup (hd0)
grub> exit

then reboot hoping the grub will work this time.

Good luck!
Shing-Shong

> happy? i did an update on my CentOS box today and now have a black screen with:
>
> GRUB>
>
> gonna have to google that one!
>
> ah, the adventures of noobiness...
>
>
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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

You need to give more information before I can help:

1) what's your partition layout? Do you have a separate /boot
partition? If so, do you know its partition number? In my case, I have
/boot in /dev/sda1 which corresponds to (hd0,0) in grub's term. So I
can do 'cat (hd0,0)/grub/grub.conf' at the 'GRUB>' prompt to check the
contents of the grub.conf.
2) if you can see the contents of grub.conf, there are two things to try:

a) enter 'configfile (hd0,0)/grub/grub.conf' at the 'GRUB>' prompt
and see if you can boot to the kernel specified in the grub.conf
b) if it works (booting to the system you just updated), then do
'/sbin/grub' and try to set up the MBA as in
grub> root (hd0,0)
grub> setup (hd0)
grub> exit

then reboot hoping the grub will work this time.

Good luck!
Shing-Shong

> happy? i did an update on my CentOS box today and now have a black screen with:
>
> GRUB>
>
> gonna have to google that one!
>
> ah, the adventures of noobiness...
>
>
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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

I've got a knoppix disk I boot bad windows machines with. Suppose I'll give that a try.

The box actually reads:

GNU GRUB version 0.97

so I suppose I'll start my googling there. I'm guessing the GRUB thing is coming up because it can't figure out what to boot to.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Beartooth" <beartooth@Beartooth.Info>
To: "Bloomington LINUX Users Group" <blug@cs.indiana.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:55:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Barry Schatz wrote:

> I have to say grub errors taught me a lot in a very short time.
> This was because I first tried Linux in college on my laptop
> (my only computer at the time) and still needed Windows to do
> school work. When I couldn't boot to Windows, I learned FAST.
>
> That said, there are ways to recover from the grub prompt.
> Which grub version (0.x aka "legacy" grub or 1.x aka grub2)? If
> you type help what does it say? You can also boot with a liveCD
> (knoppix, SystemRescueCD, etc.) and reinstall/update grub that
> way. I don't remember much else off the top of my head, but
> there are many ways to get your system back.

One of those is something called a SuperGrubDisk; I've
had good luck with it (with the greatest of ease!) a couple of
times.

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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 03:21:36PM -0500, Barry Schatz wrote:
> Joe Auty wrote:
> > I realize that every OS has its strengths and weaknesses,
> Stability would be Ubuntu's kryptonite in this case. It's the yellow to
> Ubuntu's Green Lantern.

If they can't maintain stability they'll start seeing folks jump the
boat. The Linux distro space is vast, and nobody wants core features to
be broken.

It's not like Microsoft where switching to a new OS means walking
away from a potentially massive cash investment. (Or when moving from
Microsoft to Apple and you're walking away from one cash investment
to another... Though when it comes to Microsoft they have a habit of
requiring new cash investments so -- depending on what you do -- you're
always going from one massive cash investment to another.)

> > Again, I know that my problems here are pretty vague and sketchy...
> >
> > My main point is more of a question. Why doesn't the Ubuntu team put a
> > hold on adding new features and just work their butts off getting the
> > mundane unsexy stuff to work, and in improving performance overall?
> >
> Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and
> nobody wants to do maintenance. -- Kurt Vonnegut
>
> New features are sexy. Fixing bugs means admitting you were wrong. To
> keep gaining mindshare, Ubuntu needs to keep adding the sexy and never
> look back. It's great that they've come this far, but I really don't
> like to get onboard with fast-growing projects because of situations
> like this.

This is particularly a problem with the GNOME stuff. The GNOME folks
create a server/library, bring it up to 0.9x -- never getting to 1.0 --
and then create a new server/library partially basing it off the earlier
code, but dropping all the bugs. (Yes, you read that right, as they're
keeping *some* of the code, *some* of the earlier bugs remain.)

Personally I wish I could get all my ALSA applications sending their
audio to Phonon, KDE 4's sound server, as it is -- by far -- better
than that PulseAudio crap. (It is easy to configure it so that when
I plug in USB headphones the running audio switches automatically to
the headphones.) As it is, there's an ALSA driver to send the audio to
PulseAudio but not one to do the same thing with Phonon. (By the way,
that may well clear up some of your audio issues -- though if it is
blocking the application it is probably using OSS, and you may need the
alsa-oss package to turn the OSS calls in to ALSA calls.)

PulseAudio has no concept of priorities for backends. You can configure
it for the USB headphones, but if you then unplug the headphones you get
no audio at all until you reconfigure by hand.

> If you still want to use a bleeding-edge distro, I hear good things
> about Arch. That said, I've been a happy Debian user since 2004.

In truth, Debian's biggest failure was their slow release cycle. If you
actually wanted to stick with "stable", you could be way behind the
times. They've changed their release cycle, though, so that should no
longer be an issue.

If Ubuntu stops being stable for me, I've no reason not to switch to
Debian.

Cheers,
Steven Black

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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

Barry Schatz wrote:
> *SNIP*
>
> If you still want to use a bleeding-edge distro, I hear good things
> about Arch. That said, I've been a happy Debian user since 2004.
>
> -Barry
>

This happens on Debian too. Somehow I'm just lucky enough to not have it
happen to me.
http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/11/12/debian-black-out/


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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Barry Schatz wrote:

> I have to say grub errors taught me a lot in a very short time.
> This was because I first tried Linux in college on my laptop
> (my only computer at the time) and still needed Windows to do
> school work. When I couldn't boot to Windows, I learned FAST.
>
> That said, there are ways to recover from the grub prompt.
> Which grub version (0.x aka "legacy" grub or 1.x aka grub2)? If
> you type help what does it say? You can also boot with a liveCD
> (knoppix, SystemRescueCD, etc.) and reinstall/update grub that
> way. I don't remember much else off the top of my head, but
> there are many ways to get your system back.

One of those is something called a SuperGrubDisk; I've
had good luck with it (with the greatest of ease!) a couple of
times.

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Sclerotic Squirreler, Double Retiree, Linux Evangelist
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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

I have to say grub errors taught me a lot in a very short time. This was
because I first tried Linux in college on my laptop (my only computer at
the time) and still needed Windows to do school work. When I couldn't
boot to Windows, I learned FAST.

That said, there are ways to recover from the grub prompt. Which grub
version (0.x aka "legacy" grub or 1.x aka grub2)? If you type help what
does it say? You can also boot with a liveCD (knoppix, SystemRescueCD,
etc.) and reinstall/update grub that way. I don't remember much else off
the top of my head, but there are many ways to get your system back.

-Barry

Kelly McEvilly wrote:
> happy? i did an update on my CentOS box today and now have a black screen with:
>
> GRUB>
>
> gonna have to google that one!
>
> ah, the adventures of noobiness...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Schatz" <sorbetninja@gmail.com>
> To: "Bloomington LINUX Users Group" <blug@cs.indiana.edu>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:21:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch
>
> Joe Auty wrote:
>
>> I'm not here to ruffle feathers or troll or anything like that. I
>> realize that nobody is putting a gun to my head forcing me to upgrade,
>> and my machine isn't really that important so I don't mind the
>> adventures, up to a certain point. I'm sure that one could pick apart
>> each of these following points, suggest a fix, call me an idiot, more
>> things to try, blame something, whatever... I'm sure that many of these
>> arguments would be sane and reasonable to some extent. There is no
>> particular castle I want to storm, and I'm not advocating one OS over
>> another or trying to attack. With this disclaimer, read on... :)
>>
>>
> In other words "Incoming flamebait." No worries. My counter-flame
> follows. :)
>
>> I like Ubuntu, and I like Linux (especially on the server end of
>> things), but we are so incredibly far away from the "year of Linux on
>> the Desktop" it's sort of laughable.
>>
>>
> There will never be a "year of Linux on the
> {desktop,server,netbook,toaster,etc}." The process is way too gradual to
> fit in a year. Best-case is "decade of Linux on the $whatever". Even
> century is optimistic.
>
>> I realize that every OS has its strengths and weaknesses,
>>
> Stability would be Ubuntu's kryptonite in this case. It's the yellow to
> Ubuntu's Green Lantern.
>
>
>> Again, I know that my problems here are pretty vague and sketchy...
>>
>> My main point is more of a question. Why doesn't the Ubuntu team put a
>> hold on adding new features and just work their butts off getting the
>> mundane unsexy stuff to work, and in improving performance overall?
>>
>>
>>
> Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and
> nobody wants to do maintenance. -- Kurt Vonnegut
>
> New features are sexy. Fixing bugs means admitting you were wrong. To
> keep gaining mindshare, Ubuntu needs to keep adding the sexy and never
> look back. It's great that they've come this far, but I really don't
> like to get onboard with fast-growing projects because of situations
> like this.
>
> If you still want to use a bleeding-edge distro, I hear good things
> about Arch. That said, I've been a happy Debian user since 2004.
>
> -Barry
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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

Welcome to Slackware. :-)

Aaron W. Hsu

--On Friday, November 13, 2009 02:58:50 PM -0500 Joe Auty
<joe@netmusician.org> wrote:

> I'm at the point in my IT career that fiddling with my Desktop is just
> not that fun anymore when I'm cleaning up stuff that one would think
> shouldn't be broken in the first place.


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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

happy? i did an update on my CentOS box today and now have a black screen with:

GRUB>

gonna have to google that one!

ah, the adventures of noobiness...


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From: "Barry Schatz" <sorbetninja@gmail.com>
To: "Bloomington LINUX Users Group" <blug@cs.indiana.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:21:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

Joe Auty wrote:
> I'm not here to ruffle feathers or troll or anything like that. I
> realize that nobody is putting a gun to my head forcing me to upgrade,
> and my machine isn't really that important so I don't mind the
> adventures, up to a certain point. I'm sure that one could pick apart
> each of these following points, suggest a fix, call me an idiot, more
> things to try, blame something, whatever... I'm sure that many of these
> arguments would be sane and reasonable to some extent. There is no
> particular castle I want to storm, and I'm not advocating one OS over
> another or trying to attack. With this disclaimer, read on... :)
>
In other words "Incoming flamebait." No worries. My counter-flame
follows. :)
> I like Ubuntu, and I like Linux (especially on the server end of
> things), but we are so incredibly far away from the "year of Linux on
> the Desktop" it's sort of laughable.
>
There will never be a "year of Linux on the
{desktop,server,netbook,toaster,etc}." The process is way too gradual to
fit in a year. Best-case is "decade of Linux on the $whatever". Even
century is optimistic.
> I realize that every OS has its strengths and weaknesses,
Stability would be Ubuntu's kryptonite in this case. It's the yellow to
Ubuntu's Green Lantern.

> Again, I know that my problems here are pretty vague and sketchy...
>
> My main point is more of a question. Why doesn't the Ubuntu team put a
> hold on adding new features and just work their butts off getting the
> mundane unsexy stuff to work, and in improving performance overall?
>
>
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and
nobody wants to do maintenance. -- Kurt Vonnegut

New features are sexy. Fixing bugs means admitting you were wrong. To
keep gaining mindshare, Ubuntu needs to keep adding the sexy and never
look back. It's great that they've come this far, but I really don't
like to get onboard with fast-growing projects because of situations
like this.

If you still want to use a bleeding-edge distro, I hear good things
about Arch. That said, I've been a happy Debian user since 2004.

-Barry
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Re: [BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

Joe Auty wrote:
> I'm not here to ruffle feathers or troll or anything like that. I
> realize that nobody is putting a gun to my head forcing me to upgrade,
> and my machine isn't really that important so I don't mind the
> adventures, up to a certain point. I'm sure that one could pick apart
> each of these following points, suggest a fix, call me an idiot, more
> things to try, blame something, whatever... I'm sure that many of these
> arguments would be sane and reasonable to some extent. There is no
> particular castle I want to storm, and I'm not advocating one OS over
> another or trying to attack. With this disclaimer, read on... :)
>
In other words "Incoming flamebait." No worries. My counter-flame
follows. :)
> I like Ubuntu, and I like Linux (especially on the server end of
> things), but we are so incredibly far away from the "year of Linux on
> the Desktop" it's sort of laughable.
>
There will never be a "year of Linux on the
{desktop,server,netbook,toaster,etc}." The process is way too gradual to
fit in a year. Best-case is "decade of Linux on the $whatever". Even
century is optimistic.
> I realize that every OS has its strengths and weaknesses,
Stability would be Ubuntu's kryptonite in this case. It's the yellow to
Ubuntu's Green Lantern.

> Again, I know that my problems here are pretty vague and sketchy...
>
> My main point is more of a question. Why doesn't the Ubuntu team put a
> hold on adding new features and just work their butts off getting the
> mundane unsexy stuff to work, and in improving performance overall?
>
>
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and
nobody wants to do maintenance. -- Kurt Vonnegut

New features are sexy. Fixing bugs means admitting you were wrong. To
keep gaining mindshare, Ubuntu needs to keep adding the sexy and never
look back. It's great that they've come this far, but I really don't
like to get onboard with fast-growing projects because of situations
like this.

If you still want to use a bleeding-edge distro, I hear good things
about Arch. That said, I've been a happy Debian user since 2004.

-Barry
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Joe Auty wrote:

[snipperoo]
> My main point is more of a question. Why doesn't the Ubuntu team put a
> hold on adding new features and just work their butts off getting the
> mundane unsexy stuff to work, and in improving performance overall?
[....]
> I realize that Ubuntu may not be the most conservative choice for this
> criteria, but it is also the first Desktop Linux OS that comes to mind
> for most people. They have a unique opportunity to deliver something of
> this nature and for it to be noticed. As it stands, there were a few
> past Ubuntu releases that seemed to work well enough to perhaps
> recommend, but right now the OS just seems like a big mess, and this is
> not even getting into GUI/usability issues which have always been a
> problem too, which is another story altogether...

You might want to take a look at

http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7450/1.html

It installed pretty readily on an EeePC701, which is far
from the easiest hardware to install on; but I haven't gotten a
sufficiently spherical tuit yet to try putting it through its
paces....

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[BLUG] My Ubuntu/Linux bitch

I'm not here to ruffle feathers or troll or anything like that. I
realize that nobody is putting a gun to my head forcing me to upgrade,
and my machine isn't really that important so I don't mind the
adventures, up to a certain point. I'm sure that one could pick apart
each of these following points, suggest a fix, call me an idiot, more
things to try, blame something, whatever... I'm sure that many of these
arguments would be sane and reasonable to some extent. There is no
particular castle I want to storm, and I'm not advocating one OS over
another or trying to attack. With this disclaimer, read on... :)

I like Ubuntu, and I like Linux (especially on the server end of
things), but we are so incredibly far away from the "year of Linux on
the Desktop" it's sort of laughable.

The upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10 has been a disaster for many, this has been
widely documented online. The new kernel version crashes with my
Ethernet controller randomly, I lost the ability to interact with Flash
movies (I've since fixed this), and I was disappointed to find that
shared printing no longer works (this was an area I felt that Ubuntu was
pretty strong in prior). I can't prove ext4 to be the culprit yet, but
it seems like I'm having to unmount and fsck my ext4 so much more
frequently now, and this is with a new disk that checks out fine with
the long Smart Monitor self test (I'm not blaming ext4 just yet, just
adding this to my list of woes). Some applications monopolize my sound
(I have to quit them if I want to play sound in another app). Sound has
always been pretty temperamental, as has CD/DVD burning and other
related stuff. It's great that the team is working on features like
Ubuntu One, but it would be the highly mundane sorts of fixes and
features that would make my life so much better and allow me to consider
switching to it full time, features like the ability to easily control
the behavior and interaction between multiple monitors, etc.

I realize that every OS has its strengths and weaknesses, and I realize
that Ubuntu is not designed to be a more conservative sort of Linux OS
like Debian. I don't mind being on the bleeding edge with getting some
new stuff to work. I also understand the difference between the two
kinds of Ubuntu releases. However, what is incredibly frustrating is all
of this regression - no matter what kind of release. I'm sick of
fiddling with my sound, and I'm sick of features like Compiz that are
available but seem to cause all sorts of problems when enabled (e.g.
compatibility with MythTV, Flash, etc.) Like I said, Compiz is great,
but I would gladly trade off these sorts of features to get the more
mundane stuff working consistently and reliably. It's odd to me that Mac
OS has had far better monitor management for a countless number of years
so far, one would think that this would be a priority to match in Linux?

Again, I know that my problems here are pretty vague and sketchy...

My main point is more of a question. Why doesn't the Ubuntu team put a
hold on adding new features and just work their butts off getting the
mundane unsexy stuff to work, and in improving performance overall?
There is no point in trying to keep up with the pace of Apple or
Microsoft in terms of adding new features, but I would bet that most
people don't need half of those features anyway and would gladly trade
off these sorts of things for stability, reliability, and performance.
I'm at the point in my IT career that fiddling with my Desktop is just
not that fun anymore when I'm cleaning up stuff that one would think
shouldn't be broken in the first place.

I realize that Ubuntu may not be the most conservative choice for this
criteria, but it is also the first Desktop Linux OS that comes to mind
for most people. They have a unique opportunity to deliver something of
this nature and for it to be noticed. As it stands, there were a few
past Ubuntu releases that seemed to work well enough to perhaps
recommend, but right now the OS just seems like a big mess, and this is
not even getting into GUI/usability issues which have always been a
problem too, which is another story altogether...

--
Joe Auty
NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
http://www.netmusician.org
joe@netmusician.org
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Re: [BLUG] Ohio LinuxFest Audio Now Available

(Bottom post)

Steven Black wrote:
> I'm forwarding this as some on the list may be interested in the
> recordings and may be unaware of the Ohio LinuxFest.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 09:03:07PM -0500, Ohio LinuxFest 2009 wrote:
>
> ------------OLF AUDIO NOW AVAILABLE------------
>
> Complete audio from Ohio LinuxFest 2009
> [http://www.archive.org/details/OhioLinuxfest2009] is now available on the
> Internet Archive. This includes the Friday Early Penguin track talks as well
> as those from the main event on Saturday. Files are provided in FLAC, Ogg
> Vorbis, MP3, and Speex formats.
>
> We are sad to announce that a technical problem in Ballroom 2 (the Sourceforge
> room) resulted in those recordings being so noisy as to be unlistenable. We
> apologize to the affected speakers and all those who wanted to hear their talks
> but didn't get there in person.
>
> For completeness' sake, the bad recordings have also been posted, though only
> in FLAC format. If you are an audio guru who is capable of cleaning them up,
> or have your own bootleg recording of these talks, please notify Vance
> Kochenderfer at vance@happylemur.com!
>
> You may be interested as well in video of Shawn Powers's opening keynote
> [http://www.archive.org/details/OhioLinuxfest2009-MorningKeynote-ShawnPowerslinuxJournal]
> also on the Internet Archive.
>
> Happy listening!
>
>
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Thanks! I missed OLF this year and I wondered what I missed. Looks like
there were a lot of talks I would have enjoyed.

-Barry
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[BLUG] Ohio LinuxFest Audio Now Available

I'm forwarding this as some on the list may be interested in the
recordings and may be unaware of the Ohio LinuxFest.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 09:03:07PM -0500, Ohio LinuxFest 2009 wrote:

------------OLF AUDIO NOW AVAILABLE------------

Complete audio from Ohio LinuxFest 2009
[http://www.archive.org/details/OhioLinuxfest2009] is now available on the
Internet Archive. This includes the Friday Early Penguin track talks as well
as those from the main event on Saturday. Files are provided in FLAC, Ogg
Vorbis, MP3, and Speex formats.

We are sad to announce that a technical problem in Ballroom 2 (the Sourceforge
room) resulted in those recordings being so noisy as to be unlistenable. We
apologize to the affected speakers and all those who wanted to hear their talks
but didn't get there in person.

For completeness' sake, the bad recordings have also been posted, though only
in FLAC format. If you are an audio guru who is capable of cleaning them up,
or have your own bootleg recording of these talks, please notify Vance
Kochenderfer at vance@happylemur.com!

You may be interested as well in video of Shawn Powers's opening keynote
[http://www.archive.org/details/OhioLinuxfest2009-MorningKeynote-ShawnPowerslinuxJournal]
also on the Internet Archive.

Happy listening!


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