Saturday, April 30, 2011

[BLUG] Att dsl

Was curious if anyone else had run into att provided dsl modem acting as a firewall and blocking all ports on them?

Thursday, April 28, 2011

Re: [BLUG] looking for (linux friendly) offsite backup options

Ben Shewmaker <ben@shewbox.org> wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I

Here's another: https://spideroak.com/
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Monday, April 25, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

Also most custom roms include usb tethering as well

On Apr 25, 2011 4:01 PM, "Simón Ruiz" <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Lord Drachenblut
> <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This isn't strictly a carrier issue.
>>
>> In the case of the captivate on att samsung wants to charge att for updates
>> for that phone.
>>
>> In the case of htc phones because of sense ui they have to rebuild the
>> system with every update
>
> If you're willing to jailbreak your phone anyhow, it's worth
> mentioning that with Android phones there are usually other firmware
> options which tend to give you more freedom and features (like wifi
> tethering) than the stock firmware.
>
> You're not usually bound to the phone manufacturer or carrier's idea
> of what your software must look/behave like.
>
> Of the four people I know with Heros (including myself), I'm the only
> one not running Cyanogen Mod.
>
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Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Lord Drachenblut
<lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
> This isn't strictly a carrier issue.
>
> In the case of the captivate on att samsung wants to charge att for updates
> for that phone.
>
> In the case of htc phones because of sense ui they have to rebuild the
> system with every update

If you're willing to jailbreak your phone anyhow, it's worth
mentioning that with Android phones there are usually other firmware
options which tend to give you more freedom and features (like wifi
tethering) than the stock firmware.

You're not usually bound to the phone manufacturer or carrier's idea
of what your software must look/behave like.

Of the four people I know with Heros (including myself), I'm the only
one not running Cyanogen Mod.

Simón

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Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

This isn't strictly a carrier issue.

In the case of the captivate on att samsung wants to charge att for updates for that phone. 

In the case of htc phones because of sense ui they have to rebuild the system with every update

On Apr 24, 2011 1:02 PM, "Joe Auty" <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:
> My major (and unrelated) wish is for carriers to stop jerking around
> with holding back OS updates. The single-most useful feature to me is
> tethering, and I absolutely resent paying extra for this while having
> the same data plan (which is not something universal among all
> carriers), so I went and bought an iPhone, jail broke it, and installed
> MyWi on it rather than setup tethering for an Android phone. I was
> concerned that if I bought a particular phone that within a period of
> time AT&T/Verizon would pull the plug on that phone and I'd be stuck
> with the version I have. I don't need the latest and greatest, but I
> didn't want to be paying the same price and locked into a phone that may
> be lacking nifty features available in future versions, or stuck with an
> OS version that is not widely supported anymore.
>
> As much as I recognize the risk of relying on jail breaks to use
> tethering with my iPhone, I do appreciate the whole concept of a single
> OS version that is available for all versions of the iPhone for as long
> as the hardware is supported (and my second generation iPod Touch ran
> the latest iOS version, so it seems like Apple is done a fairly good job
> at supporting older gear). Technically speaking, I believe that the AT&T
> and Verizon iPhone versions are different right now, but as far as user
> features and overall experience go the two versions are identical, and
> if Apple hasn't already done so I'm sure they will consolidate on a
> single version.
>
> One other rationale I had (flawed or not) was that since I'm not much of
> a phone person I just wanted something that just worked without having
> to tinker (please let me know if this assumption on my part was stupid
> so I'll know for next time :). Finally, because I'm doing web
> development for these devices I figured not relying on the simulator to
> get a feel for the entire experience would be smart. At some point I'll
> have to look into setting up the Android simulator.
>
>
>
>
>> Simón Ruiz <mailto:simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com>
>> April 20, 2011 10:10 PM
>>
>>
>> HTTP proxy settings for the WiFi interface.
>>
>> It really sucks that I can set up our students and faculty with iOS
>> devices to get out to the Internet through our proxy, but not the
>> Android users.
>>
>> Anyone know of a good apk that might give me HTTP proxy functionality
>> on Android?
>>
>> If I could at least offer them an app to install, that'd be *something*.
>>
>> Simón
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Sunday, April 24, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

My major (and unrelated) wish is for carriers to stop jerking around with holding back OS updates. The single-most useful feature to me is tethering, and I absolutely resent paying extra for this while having the same data plan (which is not something universal among all carriers), so I went and bought an iPhone, jail broke it, and installed MyWi on it rather than setup tethering for an Android phone. I was concerned that if I bought a particular phone that within a period of time AT&T/Verizon would pull the plug on that phone and I'd be stuck with the version I have. I don't need the latest and greatest, but I didn't want to be paying the same price and locked into a phone that may be lacking nifty features available in future versions, or stuck with an OS version that is not widely supported anymore.

As much as I recognize the risk of relying on jail breaks to use tethering with my iPhone, I do appreciate the whole concept of a single OS version that is available for all versions of the iPhone for as long as the hardware is supported (and my second generation iPod Touch ran the latest iOS version, so it seems like Apple is done a fairly good job at supporting older gear). Technically speaking, I believe that the AT&T and Verizon iPhone versions are different right now, but as far as user features and overall experience go the two versions are identical, and if Apple hasn't already done so I'm sure they will consolidate on a single version.

One other rationale I had (flawed or not) was that since I'm not much of a phone person I just wanted something that just worked without having to tinker (please let me know if this assumption on my part was stupid so I'll know for next time :). Finally, because I'm doing web development for these devices I figured not relying on the simulator to get a feel for the entire experience would be smart. At some point I'll have to look into setting up the Android simulator.




Simón Ruiz
April 20, 2011 10:10 PM

HTTP proxy settings for the WiFi interface.

It really sucks that I can set up our students and faculty with iOS devices to get out to the Internet through our proxy, but not the Android users.

Anyone know of a good apk that might give me HTTP proxy functionality on Android?

If I could at least offer them an app to install, that'd be *something*.

Simón

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Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

Huh, looks like another case where Android behaves differently on
certain devices.

I've got a Nexus One running stock Android that has always connected
automatically to IU Secure. This has been the case on both 2.2 and
2.3.

Josh

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Chris Shelton <cshelton@indiana.edu> wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 at 1:08pm, Andrew Dabrowski wrote:
>
>> As someone who is toying with the idea of getting an Android phone
>> and/or tablet, I'd appreciate it if you would explain the problem
>> more precisely. Does this mean Android users can't use IU's wifi
>> system?  Is this only an issue with phones, or tablets too?
>
> Regarding accessing IU secure with an android phone, it works with
> only minor tweaking and is documenting here:
> http://kb.iu.edu/data/azle.html
>
> I have an LG optimus T running android 2.2, and it connects without
> problems to IU secure.  The only minor nit is that it doesn't
> automatically connect; I have to tell the phone to connect to IU
> secure.  The phone connects to my home wireless network automatically.
>
> chris
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Andrew,

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 at 1:08pm, Andrew Dabrowski wrote:

> As someone who is toying with the idea of getting an Android phone
> and/or tablet, I'd appreciate it if you would explain the problem
> more precisely. Does this mean Android users can't use IU's wifi
> system? Is this only an issue with phones, or tablets too?

Regarding accessing IU secure with an android phone, it works with
only minor tweaking and is documenting here:
http://kb.iu.edu/data/azle.html

I have an LG optimus T running android 2.2, and it connects without
problems to IU secure. The only minor nit is that it doesn't
automatically connect; I have to tell the phone to connect to IU
secure. The phone connects to my home wireless network automatically.

chris

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Saturday, April 23, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Andrew Dabrowski <dabrowsa@indiana.edu> wrote:
> As someone who is toying with the idea of getting an Android phone and/or
> tablet, I'd appreciate it if you would explain the problem more precisely.
>  Does this mean Android users can't use IU's wifi system?  Is this only an
> issue with phones, or tablets too?

You'll need more local help on that, as I'm in Fort Wayne these days
and had no idea how IU's WiFi system worked, even when I live in
Bloomington.

My problem is that we don't allow Internet access except through our
proxy, which does content filtering and caching.

There does not seem to be a way to set most stock Android images to
use a proxy, including my HTC Hero, the HTC Droid Incredible, and my
new Motorola Xoom.

If you're comfortable rooting and/or re-flashing your device, it seems
there are apps on the market that will do the job and/or most
community versions of Android have the setting available by default.

That's my read of the situation, anyhow.

Simón

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As someone who is toying with the idea of getting an Android phone
and/or tablet, I'd appreciate it if you would explain the problem more
precisely. Does this mean Android users can't use IU's wifi system? Is
this only an issue with phones, or tablets too?

Friday, April 22, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Lord Drachenblut
<lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
> this isn't actually android's fault to be honest.  After a little digging
> proxy is availble in most 3rd party roms it seems and even in aosp.  This
> seems to be a issue of the handset manufacters leaving out the functionality
>
> --
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True to some extent. This is why I kind of hoped a third party apk
would do the trick.

It was my understanding that the Xoom is running vanilla Android 3.0,
though. There's no obviously Motorola software except for the logo
that comes up immediately when you turn it on.

Simón

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Thursday, April 21, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

On Thursday 21 April 2011 10:59:30 AM Simón Ruiz wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Williams, Jeffery Allen
>
> <jefjewil@indiana.edu> wrote:
> > There are a couple of applications that will setup a proxy server ASProxy
> > in the market and Transparent Proxy in other places. Unfortunately they
> > require root access on the phone. I'm not sure everyone is up to this.
> > I also vaguely remember this being brought up as part of a future
> > version of Android.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeffery Williams
> >
> > Software Engineer
> >
> > ISAT Hall
>
> Yeah, that's been my experience.
>
> The free ones I've used either don't seem to work on the devices I
> tried them on, which makes me not too enthusiastic about them, or
> require root. And I can't expect all my users to have root, or to want
> to root their phones.
>
> I also don't want to point them to pay apps for simple functionality I
> used to think of as mostly universal.
>
> I mean, I can set up all kinds of other crappy little embedded systems
> to work right on our network, any PC you can throw at me, and most
> handheld devices (including iOS)...but not my Android phone or tablet.
>
> That just kind of hurts.
>
> Simón
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this isn't actually android's fault to be honest. After a little digging
proxy is availble in most 3rd party roms it seems and even in aosp. This
seems to be a issue of the handset manufacters leaving out the functionality

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Re: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Williams, Jeffery Allen
<jefjewil@indiana.edu> wrote:
> There are a couple of applications that will setup a proxy server ASProxy in
> the market and Transparent Proxy in other places.  Unfortunately they
> require root access on the phone.  I'm not sure everyone is up to this.  I
> also vaguely remember this being brought up as part of a future version of
> Android.
>
>
>
> Jeffery Williams
>
> Software Engineer
>
> ISAT Hall

Yeah, that's been my experience.

The free ones I've used either don't seem to work on the devices I
tried them on, which makes me not too enthusiastic about them, or
require root. And I can't expect all my users to have root, or to want
to root their phones.

I also don't want to point them to pay apps for simple functionality I
used to think of as mostly universal.

I mean, I can set up all kinds of other crappy little embedded systems
to work right on our network, any PC you can throw at me, and most
handheld devices (including iOS)...but not my Android phone or tablet.

That just kind of hurts.

Simón

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There are a couple of applications that will setup a proxy server ASProxy in the market and Transparent Proxy in other places.  Unfortunately they require root access on the phone.  I’m not sure everyone is up to this.  I also vaguely remember this being brought up as part of a future version of Android. 

 

Jeffery Williams

Software Engineer

ISAT Hall

 

From: blug-bounces@cs.indiana.edu [mailto:blug-bounces@cs.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Simón Ruiz
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:11 PM
To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group; Bloomington LINUX Users Group
Subject: [BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

 

HTTP proxy settings for the WiFi interface.

It really sucks that I can set up our students and faculty with iOS devices to get out to the Internet through our proxy, but not the Android users.

Anyone know of a good apk that might give me HTTP proxy functionality on Android?

If I could at least offer them an app to install, that'd be *something*.

Simón

Wednesday, April 20, 2011

[BLUG] Simple wish list for Android

HTTP proxy settings for the WiFi interface.

It really sucks that I can set up our students and faculty with iOS devices to get out to the Internet through our proxy, but not the Android users.

Anyone know of a good apk that might give me HTTP proxy functionality on Android?

If I could at least offer them an app to install, that'd be *something*.

Simón

Wednesday, April 6, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Evolution and IU's Exchange servers

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I have been using Microsoft Exchange Data Provider with mixed success:

http://gitorious.org/lightning-exchange-provider/pages/Home

There are many caveats: you must use .11 and not .12 or you seem to get
locked out in AD. Your passphrase will not get saved in the password
manager...if you sausage-finger the passphrase, you will get locked out
in AD.

You could also try the davmail gateway, but I have not played with it in
some time...issues with repeating events and ghost events:

http://davmail.sourceforge.net/index.html

I would love to endorse any of these, but they are NOT READY FOR PUBLIC
USE in IU's Exchange environment. I have put the occasional bug report
in, but other tasks slowed that down for me.

Essentially, you still occasionally need OWA or the Outlook client.

Robert

On 03/31/2011 02:39 PM, Steven Black wrote:
> Personally, if the web version doesn't work (it has gotten better --
> the current version doesn't use a "Lite" version in Firefox) then your
> best bet is to use RDP to a Windows machine or a Windows VM. Since you
> only really need it for creating meetings, you don't need the VM
> consuming resources most of the time.
>
> The problem with a Windows VM is that it is almost impossible to get
> anything other than XP to run without assigning most of your resources
> to the VM. (And Windows XP is a bit on the old side, so may not be
> available with security updates anymore.)
>
> I actually had more luck with RDP than with a VM.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Kelly McEvilly <kellym@wbhcp.com> wrote:
>> I used the same Thunderbird/Lightning setup with my Zimbra mail server and
>> it worked flawlessly for all calendaring functions. Zimbra has their own
>> mail client which I use now.
>>
>> The Zimbra Ajax web client also works perfectly for any type of
>> calendaring. I believe even the HTML client gives access to all
>> calendaring.
>>
>> I swear I'm not bringing this up just to rub salt in the wounds of all the
>> MS Exchange slaves...
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Colvard" <cjcolvar@indiana.edu>
>> To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:32:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [BLUG] Evolution and IU's Exchange servers
>>
>> I've used Thunderbird and the Lightning plugin to add meeting requests to my
>> local or google calendar. Over time this has proven to be rather flaky, but
>> has sort of worked. I was not able to create any meetings in the Exchange
>> server though.
>>
>> -Chris Colvard
>>
>>
>> On 03/31/2011 12:17 PM, Williams, Jeffery Allen wrote:
>>
>> Is the web version of exchange unreasonable? <www.exchange.iu.edu>
>> I never found a good solution. My work is so MS centric, I ended up making a
>> winXP virtual machine.
>> Jeffery Williams
>> Software Engineer
>> IU Cyclotron Operations
>> --
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>>
>> Brian Wheeler <bdwheele@indiana.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone gotten this to work, for calendaring in particular?
>>>
>>> I'm using imap to access mail on the exchange servers, but I really need
>>> to get calendaring. Barring that, does anyone have a reasonable way
>>> (outlook in a vm isn't reasonable) to deal with exchange calendaring?
>>>
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Tuesday, April 5, 2011

[BLUG] [SPAM:### 82%] Hi!!!

T my friends,i'm never one to recommend a product unless its really
something phenomenal but I have been using this stuff that my doc
recommended for fat loss and I have lost 8 lbs in a week. Two of my
friends who just began using it also lost 7 lbs each.
http://poweredslim.com p.s. that site sells it for 50% less as much as
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T my friends,i'm never one to recommend a product unless its really
something phenomenal but I have been using this stuff that my doc
recommended for fat loss and I have lost 8 lbs in a week. Two of my
friends who just began using it also lost 7 lbs each.
http://poweredslim.com p.s. that site sells it for 50% less as much as
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Monday, April 4, 2011

Re: [BLUG] Matthew Williams wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn

I'm sorry for this everyone.  I forgot to uncheck a few emails when sending out invitations

On Apr 4, 2011 6:59 PM, "Matthew Williams" <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:

[BLUG] Matthew Williams wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn

LinkedIn

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Matthew Williams

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Confirm that you know Matthew

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[BLUG] Matthew Williams wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn

LinkedIn

Bloomington,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Matthew Williams

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Re: [BLUG] looking for (linux friendly) offsite backup options

I am using Amazon S3 with a Jungledisk client on both my Ubuntu laptop
and my wife's iBook. There are other solutions, but JD is fast, simple
and cheap. What I like the best is that the backup files are browsable
and easily recovered individually if you set it up that way. You also
get an on-line drive so it was easy to create a combination archiving
and backup solution.

On 04/03/2011 02:51 PM, Ben Shewmaker wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I
> know there are a number of companies with varying offers on price and
> storage, but a number of them only work with their software (usually
> windows/pc only). Right now I have an Ubuntu box serving as my NAS,
> so ideally I'd love to be able to continue to backup to that, then
> have that box backup to the cloud. I have around 50 gigs of
> photos/vids/other docs right now that I really need backed up, but of
> course that will only grow as I take more pictures and videos and
> whatnot. What about something like Rackspace or Amazon s3? Or they
> purely enterprise solutions or are they doable and/or affordable for a
> home user? Or is there some other company that will provide what I
> need?
>
> Thanks!
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Thanks for the info from everyone.

I have been a Dropbox user for quite a while and have considered their
premium options, but as the data I want to back up are in multiple
folders in different locations, and Dropbox only syncs the dropbox
folder, I'm not sure that's the solution I want. I think I remember
reading somewhere a while back about symlinking folders to get around
this, but I'm not sure its worth the hassle.

Just like Mark, I'm also wary of very cheap "unlimited" plans. There
was another service I saw that has a linux client, called Crashplan.
They have an unlimited plan for "as low as" $3/month (that's literally
what their pricing page says, as low as, what does that mean anyway).
I don't mean to knock Crashplan without trying but if all their users
suddenly start using hundreds of gigs or more of storage I don't see
how they can be profitable only charging them $3/month. These types
of plans always seem to be under the assumption that users won't use
"too much" of their "unlimited" option and when they suddenly do start
using more, then what? They go to limited plans like Mozy did?

Spideroak looks interesting, I may try out their free 2gb service and
see how it goes from there.

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Re: [BLUG] looking for (linux friendly) offsite backup options

Ben Shewmaker <ben@shewbox.org> wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I

[...]

I personally use and can recommend tarsnap[0]:

"Tarsnap is a secure online backup service for BSD, Linux, OS X,
Solaris, Cygwin, and can probably be compiled on many other UNIX-
like operating systems."

[0]: https://www.tarsnap.com

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I've been using dropbox for several months now, and I'm extremely
impressed with it. I'm using the free version (up to 2G), which I use
mostly for keeping files synced between computers and sharing files
with other people without sending huge email attachments. Their
approach is great, and so far I've found the Windows and Linux
software both do everything I expect every time. And remarkably
quickly. Eventually I realized that this was also a good way to
backup, so I moved some of my more important files into the dropbox.

I didn't think that they'd be a good solution for you, though, Ben,
because I thought you have much more data. But, in fact, they've got
a plan for you!! :)

https://www.dropbox.com/pricing

50GB for $10/month
100GB for $20/month

Naturally, you'd have to decide if you want to trim down your data set
a bit to fit it into $10/month, or if you relax and plan for the
future at $20/month. But, you might want to start out with the free
client and just see if you like it. 2GB is still quite a lot of data.
And you can get some bonus space for doing things like installing on
more than one computer and turning your friends onto the service.

Oh, speaking of which! If you (Ben, or anyone reading this) want to
try it out, if you use this referral link, you and I could both get a
bonus 250MB of space:

http://db.tt/ZTxGVAM

If you think it's sleazy to send such a thing to a mailing list, I'm
sorry, and remember, you don't need me, you can just sign up. :)

I have no advice on backing up datasets larger than 100GB. Seems like
there should be a good solution. I would check out Amazon S3, I don't
think it's cost-prohibitive for home, but it does seem a little like
not quite the right tool. Anyway, my data gets backed up on multiple
hard drives at home, and my most-critical stuff also stays in dropbox.

David

On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:04:14PM -0400, Joe Auty wrote:
>Amazon S3 is pretty doable for the home user. You do have to find a
>savvy client, but it works well. You can calculate your monthly costs in
>advance. Client-wise, I use s3tools/s3cmd, which is an rsync clone for S3:
>
>http://s3tools.org/s3tools
>
>
>One popular consumer oriented solution, Dropbox, is actually Amazon S3
>based. There is a Linux Dropbox client:
>
>http://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx
>
>> Ben Shewmaker <mailto:ben@shewbox.org>
>> April 3, 2011 2:51 PM
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I
>> know there are a number of companies with varying offers on price and
>> storage, but a number of them only work with their software (usually
>> windows/pc only). Right now I have an Ubuntu box serving as my NAS,
>> so ideally I'd love to be able to continue to backup to that, then
>> have that box backup to the cloud. I have around 50 gigs of
>> photos/vids/other docs right now that I really need backed up, but of
>> course that will only grow as I take more pictures and videos and
>> whatnot. What about something like Rackspace or Amazon s3? Or they
>> purely enterprise solutions or are they doable and/or affordable for a
>> home user? Or is there some other company that will provide what I
>> need?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
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:-) Sure Thanks!

Seriously though, there is this company called SpiderOak that I was
looking into and they look like a good option. They aren't foolish
enough to try offering unlimited storage for $5/month. They actually
base their price on what they can support. Kinda like Suso. ;-) Plus,
they support Linux.

Companies like Mozy that try to offer unlimited backups for
$5.99/month are flawed by design. Hard drive capacity generally follows
the trends of the desktop and if desktop users continue to store more
and more data, then Mozy won't be able to make a profit in the long run
and will have to increase their pricing. Let's say that user's space
requirements double every 4 years (safe estimate). So if they use 1TB
now, you have to pay that off storing that amount within 2 or 3 years to
make a profit. Enterprise storage costs Mozy anywhere from $100/TB on
the low end to $20000/TB on the high end, dpending on their setup, how
well they are backing up, whether they are using a SAN or not, etc.
Let's say its $200/TB because they claim that they are reliable and
offer you something better than you can do yourself. So at $5.99/month,
a user will pay off a TB in 33 months or almost 3 years. But of course,
by that time, the user is now using about 1.8TB and growing fast, so now
Mozy has to upgrade their system to accomodate more storage. All in
all, their profit is quite low and eventually they will either go out of
business (and who knows what will happen to your data) or they will
raise their prices accordingly.

Actually, I wrote all that for nothing. They no longer do unlimited
backup and I heard that this happened. So it was obvious that they
weren't thinking ahead (or it was all just a marketing scam). Either
way, do you want to store your backup data with a company that didn't
plan ahead?

Amazon s3 is actually more expensive per GB than an EMC SAN, which in
my own experience is crazy expensive. So that's not the route to go.
S3 is for small amounts of online data, not large amounts of offline
data.

Please don't let price drive your decision. Remember, $5.99 isn't even
enough to buy popcorn at the movie theater anymore. How can it buy you
unlimited backup storage?

Actually, I recently have come to realize that desktop users are
actually seeing lower prices at the cost of enterprise users. You won't
see this on the consumer market, but enterprise SAN drives can cost as
much as $40,000 for a 400GB SSD drive. Yes, that's 40 thousand dollars.
Most enterprise storage prices are like this and I think its because
Enterprises subsidize the lower cost of consumer stuff. I think that one
of the reasons for this is because it helps keep new companies out of
the market.

Anyways, I'm rambling.

On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 07:05:23PM GMT, Mark Warner [mhwarner@gmail.com] said the following:
>
> SUSO? :-)
>
> Ben Shewmaker wrote:
> > Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I
> > know there are a number of companies with varying offers on price and
> > storage, but a number of them only work with their software (usually
> > windows/pc only). Right now I have an Ubuntu box serving as my NAS,
> > so ideally I'd love to be able to continue to backup to that, then
> > have that box backup to the cloud. I have around 50 gigs of
> > photos/vids/other docs right now that I really need backed up, but of
> > course that will only grow as I take more pictures and videos and
> > whatnot. What about something like Rackspace or Amazon s3? Or they
> > purely enterprise solutions or are they doable and/or affordable for a
> > home user? Or is there some other company that will provide what I
> > need?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Ben
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SUSO? :-)

Ben Shewmaker wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I
> know there are a number of companies with varying offers on price and
> storage, but a number of them only work with their software (usually
> windows/pc only). Right now I have an Ubuntu box serving as my NAS,
> so ideally I'd love to be able to continue to backup to that, then
> have that box backup to the cloud. I have around 50 gigs of
> photos/vids/other docs right now that I really need backed up, but of
> course that will only grow as I take more pictures and videos and
> whatnot. What about something like Rackspace or Amazon s3? Or they
> purely enterprise solutions or are they doable and/or affordable for a
> home user? Or is there some other company that will provide what I
> need?
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
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Re: [BLUG] looking for (linux friendly) offsite backup options

Amazon S3 is pretty doable for the home user. You do have to find a savvy client, but it works well. You can calculate your monthly costs in advance. Client-wise, I use s3tools/s3cmd, which is an rsync clone for S3:

http://s3tools.org/s3tools


One popular consumer oriented solution, Dropbox, is actually Amazon S3 based. There is a Linux Dropbox client:

http://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx

Ben Shewmaker
April 3, 2011 2:51 PM

Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I
know there are a number of companies with varying offers on price and
storage, but a number of them only work with their software (usually
windows/pc only). Right now I have an Ubuntu box serving as my NAS,
so ideally I'd love to be able to continue to backup to that, then
have that box backup to the cloud. I have around 50 gigs of
photos/vids/other docs right now that I really need backed up, but of
course that will only grow as I take more pictures and videos and
whatnot. What about something like Rackspace or Amazon s3? Or they
purely enterprise solutions or are they doable and/or affordable for a
home user? Or is there some other company that will provide what I
need?

Thanks!
Ben
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[BLUG] looking for (linux friendly) offsite backup options

Does anyone have any recommendations on offsite backup options? I
know there are a number of companies with varying offers on price and
storage, but a number of them only work with their software (usually
windows/pc only). Right now I have an Ubuntu box serving as my NAS,
so ideally I'd love to be able to continue to backup to that, then
have that box backup to the cloud. I have around 50 gigs of
photos/vids/other docs right now that I really need backed up, but of
course that will only grow as I take more pictures and videos and
whatnot. What about something like Rackspace or Amazon s3? Or they
purely enterprise solutions or are they doable and/or affordable for a
home user? Or is there some other company that will provide what I
need?

Thanks!
Ben
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