Re: [BLUG] Javascript Linux

On Tue, 17 May 2011, David Ernst wrote:

> Yeah... wow... amazing... and what a nerd!! :)

Indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrice_Bellard

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Re: [BLUG] Javascript Linux

Yeah... wow... amazing... and what a nerd!! :)

David

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 09:31:57AM -0400, Steven Black wrote:
>That's awesome.
>
>Personally, I think the tech details are a little more interesting:
>http://bellard.org/jslinux/tech.html
>
>"Some of the code is inspired from my x86 dynamic translator present in
>QEMU" -- Now we know how he had the underlying knowledge to pull this off.
>
>Cheers,
>Steven Black
>
>On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> In case you miss this news. A brilliant hacker by the name of Fabrice
>> Bellard has written a simple x86 emulator in Javascript and it runs
>> Linux:
>>
>> http://bellard.org/jslinux/
>>
>> What he is able to pack into this mini Linux distro is amazing and
>> reminds me of the old QNX demo disks that fit on a 1.44MB floppy. It
>> even has a networking stack, emacs, vi, ping, wget, etc. and it boots in
>> about 5 seconds. Which is surprising for javascript to be that fast and
>> responsive.
>>
>> Try rm -fr / then press F5 to reinstall. ;-)
>>
>> Amazingly, the emulator and terminal code is under 100KB!!!
>> You'll need Firefox 4 or Google Chrome 11 to run this.
>>
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Re: [BLUG] Javascript Linux

That's awesome.

Personally, I think the tech details are a little more interesting: http://bellard.org/jslinux/tech.html

"Some of the code is inspired from my x86 dynamic translator present in QEMU" -- Now we know how he had the underlying knowledge to pull this off.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:

 In case you miss this news. A brilliant hacker by the name of Fabrice
Bellard has written a simple x86 emulator in Javascript and it runs
Linux:

 http://bellard.org/jslinux/

 What he is able to pack into this mini Linux distro is amazing and
reminds me of the old QNX demo disks that fit on a 1.44MB floppy.  It
even has a networking stack, emacs, vi, ping, wget, etc. and it boots in
about 5 seconds. Which is surprising for javascript to be that fast and
responsive.

 Try rm -fr / then press F5 to reinstall. ;-)

Amazingly, the emulator and terminal code is under 100KB!!!
You'll need Firefox 4 or Google Chrome 11 to run this.


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[BLUG] Javascript Linux

In case you miss this news. A brilliant hacker by the name of Fabrice
Bellard has written a simple x86 emulator in Javascript and it runs
Linux:

http://bellard.org/jslinux/

What he is able to pack into this mini Linux distro is amazing and
reminds me of the old QNX demo disks that fit on a 1.44MB floppy. It
even has a networking stack, emacs, vi, ping, wget, etc. and it boots in
about 5 seconds. Which is surprising for javascript to be that fast and
responsive.

Try rm -fr / then press F5 to reinstall. ;-)

Amazingly, the emulator and terminal code is under 100KB!!!
You'll need Firefox 4 or Google Chrome 11 to run this.

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[BLUG] Samba 4

Hi,

Has anyone given Samba 4 a whirl yet?

I am wanting to test this:

http://www.turnkeylinux.org/domain-controller

as a PDC replacement but from what I've read it's not gonna work for my purposes unless I update the Samba 3 currently installed on it with Samba 4.

With my noob level skills this might be easier:

http://www.resara.com/index.php/resara-server

especially if it really can integrate with my Zimbra server.

Anyway, if you've used Samba 4 or the TurnkeyLinus PDC or Resara I'd sure appreciate your feedback.

Thanks!
Kelly

Re: [BLUG] Music for Naught: My first attempt at a non-school programming project

I find the biggest PITA with Actionscript is integrating it with a site. You can have an Actionscript function trigger a Javascript function and vice versa, but having to work in both the Flash SDK and your text editor of choice while tweaking the two things is super annoying, as is recompiling and reuploading your Flash SWF whenever you want to test a change. Keeping everything in one world (Javascript) is definitely nice...

If you are interested in learning more Javascript, I might recommend taking a look at YUI (http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/3/) too, this is what I'm using for as much as I can these days, pretty much. jQuery seems to be the framework of choice for building simple little widgets such as slideshows and rotating banners and stuff, and there are a lot of these to choose from, but you sort of have to install these yourself and hope that they integrate nicely with what you are doing. YUI is a framework designed for full-fledged app development.

YUI provides a whole structure for developing widgets and includes a great lazy loader to dynamically load these widgets off the Yahoo server as needed, including prerequisites that are needed. In fact, not only widgets are handled this way, but a lot of core functionality is as well - you add the link to the seed file in your document's head tag (which can be local or accessed from Yahoo's CDN), and you just indicate what components should be loaded dynamically within your Javascript.

The main value of YUI I find is that if you want to use the data table widget, the imageloader, the rich text editor, the uploader tool that provides a progress bar, or any of the tools/components included via the above URL, you basically just learn one syntax and way of doing things and all of these components will comply by this. There is an entire gallery of third party widgets that do the same. I would say that YUI's learning curve is higher because of this, but the framework is generally more powerful, and if you start to rely on these widgets and things, it makes it easy to build stuff really quickly. YUI will do everything that jQuery does, the only upsides to jQuery that I'm aware of is being easier to jump into, and the existence of many simple little widgets (some are also written in Prototype.js, which is another framework that does some of the same things). If you are interested in app development, YUI is definitely a good choice because of not having to integrate different programming styles and initialization techniques and such..

You don't have to stew over committing to one or the other as if it is a one-way street though, you can include jQuery stuff in your YUI projects and vice versa. Because the two sets of classes operate (or can operate) under their namespaces they shouldn't interfere with each other. If anything in that list looks like it would be useful, I'd learn some YUI, because like I said once you "get it", it is easy to incorporate all of those components without having to wrestle an overwhelming learning curve.

Just my two cents!

Ben Shewmaker May 7, 2011 11:21 PM

Thanks for the feedback, and yeah, I'm not really a big fan of flash especially now that there are much better methods out there for serving audio.  Learning some jquery, javascript, and ajax is next on my free time to do list.  Now that I have some basic PHP down I can work on some of that stuff.  Plus, just glancing at jPlayer it looks so much more tweakable to fit whatever I'd like it to do where this flash player (which I believe is pretty old itself) is quite rigid. 

Ben

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Joe Auty May 7, 2011 4:51 PM

Whoops... Reading your blog post I can see that you're already hip to jPlayer. Sorry!

I do like the whole directory browsing thing, that is an interesting and useful feature :)

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Joe Auty May 7, 2011 4:19 PM

Hey Ben!

Congrats on this project!

Have you considered about an HTML5 version of this? My favorite player is jPlayer (http://jplayer.org/), because it supports making your own HTML5 player for browsers that support this, as well as a Flash fallback for those that don't. The Flash fallback does not require the UI to be assembled in the Flash SDK, the buttons are all HTML/CSS/Javascript in both HTML5/Flash playback modes.

As a web developer, unless you are deeply entrenched in Flash (I'm not), not having to skin a player inside Flash simply being able to use HTML/CSS is definitely a plus. This site is a work-in-progress, but here is an implementation of jPlayer with my own tweaks and customizations:

http://musicromm.netmusician.org


I'm not suggesting that you make a jPlayer clone, but leaving the reliance on Flash to a minimum I think would be a plus. As you know, one obvious reason for this is that your player will not work on iOS devices at all, and from what I understand Flash kind of sucks balls on Android devices too in terms of its performance/battery strain.

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Ben Shewmaker May 7, 2011 2:51 PM

Hi everybody,

Between classes, I was attempting to teach myself some PHP this last
semester, and to test out my skills, I've been working on a simple
(actually, really really simple) little web based music player
(perhaps browser is a better term) project off and on. I think I've
finally reached a point where it is usable and so have uploaded the
project for others to poke around at. If anyone is interested, I'd
love some feedback on the little project as a whole, or, especially,
any comments on the code. What things did I do totally stupidly?
What things work but could be more efficient? What things don't work
at all? There's still so much I don't know so having others poke
around at my code (I hope) will give me some ideas on where/how to
improve.

I've only tested it on one server and so have no idea if it will work
at all on other systems and configurations. You can get more
info/download/view a demo here:
http://www.shewbox.org/music-for-naught/

Thanks!

Ben Shewmaker

p.s. I kinda suck at CSS, so it looks rather bad in IE. It looks
fine in Chrome, Firefox and Safari (haven't tried it in Opera yet).
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Re: [BLUG] Music for Naught: My first attempt at a non-school programming project

Thanks for the feedback, and yeah, I'm not really a big fan of flash especially now that there are much better methods out there for serving audio.  Learning some jquery, javascript, and ajax is next on my free time to do list.  Now that I have some basic PHP down I can work on some of that stuff.  Plus, just glancing at jPlayer it looks so much more tweakable to fit whatever I'd like it to do where this flash player (which I believe is pretty old itself) is quite rigid. 

Ben

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:

Whoops... Reading your blog post I can see that you're already hip to jPlayer. Sorry!

I do like the whole directory browsing thing, that is an interesting and useful feature :)

Joe Auty May 7, 2011 4:19 PM

Hey Ben!

Congrats on this project!

Have you considered about an HTML5 version of this? My favorite player is jPlayer (http://jplayer.org/), because it supports making your own HTML5 player for browsers that support this, as well as a Flash fallback for those that don't. The Flash fallback does not require the UI to be assembled in the Flash SDK, the buttons are all HTML/CSS/Javascript in both HTML5/Flash playback modes.

As a web developer, unless you are deeply entrenched in Flash (I'm not), not having to skin a player inside Flash simply being able to use HTML/CSS is definitely a plus. This site is a work-in-progress, but here is an implementation of jPlayer with my own tweaks and customizations:

http://musicromm.netmusician.org


I'm not suggesting that you make a jPlayer clone, but leaving the reliance on Flash to a minimum I think would be a plus. As you know, one obvious reason for this is that your player will not work on iOS devices at all, and from what I understand Flash kind of sucks balls on Android devices too in terms of its performance/battery strain.

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Ben Shewmaker May 7, 2011 2:51 PM

Hi everybody,

Between classes, I was attempting to teach myself some PHP this last
semester, and to test out my skills, I've been working on a simple
(actually, really really simple) little web based music player
(perhaps browser is a better term) project off and on. I think I've
finally reached a point where it is usable and so have uploaded the
project for others to poke around at. If anyone is interested, I'd
love some feedback on the little project as a whole, or, especially,
any comments on the code. What things did I do totally stupidly?
What things work but could be more efficient? What things don't work
at all? There's still so much I don't know so having others poke
around at my code (I hope) will give me some ideas on where/how to
improve.

I've only tested it on one server and so have no idea if it will work
at all on other systems and configurations. You can get more
info/download/view a demo here:
http://www.shewbox.org/music-for-naught/

Thanks!

Ben Shewmaker

p.s. I kinda suck at CSS, so it looks rather bad in IE. It looks
fine in Chrome, Firefox and Safari (haven't tried it in Opera yet).
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Re: [BLUG] Music for Naught: My first attempt at a non-school programming project

Whoops... Reading your blog post I can see that you're already hip to jPlayer. Sorry!

I do like the whole directory browsing thing, that is an interesting and useful feature :)

Joe Auty May 7, 2011 4:19 PM

Hey Ben!

Congrats on this project!

Have you considered about an HTML5 version of this? My favorite player is jPlayer (http://jplayer.org/), because it supports making your own HTML5 player for browsers that support this, as well as a Flash fallback for those that don't. The Flash fallback does not require the UI to be assembled in the Flash SDK, the buttons are all HTML/CSS/Javascript in both HTML5/Flash playback modes.

As a web developer, unless you are deeply entrenched in Flash (I'm not), not having to skin a player inside Flash simply being able to use HTML/CSS is definitely a plus. This site is a work-in-progress, but here is an implementation of jPlayer with my own tweaks and customizations:

http://musicromm.netmusician.org


I'm not suggesting that you make a jPlayer clone, but leaving the reliance on Flash to a minimum I think would be a plus. As you know, one obvious reason for this is that your player will not work on iOS devices at all, and from what I understand Flash kind of sucks balls on Android devices too in terms of its performance/battery strain.

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Ben Shewmaker May 7, 2011 2:51 PM

Hi everybody,

Between classes, I was attempting to teach myself some PHP this last
semester, and to test out my skills, I've been working on a simple
(actually, really really simple) little web based music player
(perhaps browser is a better term) project off and on. I think I've
finally reached a point where it is usable and so have uploaded the
project for others to poke around at. If anyone is interested, I'd
love some feedback on the little project as a whole, or, especially,
any comments on the code. What things did I do totally stupidly?
What things work but could be more efficient? What things don't work
at all? There's still so much I don't know so having others poke
around at my code (I hope) will give me some ideas on where/how to
improve.

I've only tested it on one server and so have no idea if it will work
at all on other systems and configurations. You can get more
info/download/view a demo here:
http://www.shewbox.org/music-for-naught/

Thanks!

Ben Shewmaker

p.s. I kinda suck at CSS, so it looks rather bad in IE. It looks
fine in Chrome, Firefox and Safari (haven't tried it in Opera yet).
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Re: [BLUG] Music for Naught: My first attempt at a non-school programming project

Hey Ben!

Congrats on this project!

Have you considered about an HTML5 version of this? My favorite player is jPlayer (http://jplayer.org/), because it supports making your own HTML5 player for browsers that support this, as well as a Flash fallback for those that don't. The Flash fallback does not require the UI to be assembled in the Flash SDK, the buttons are all HTML/CSS/Javascript in both HTML5/Flash playback modes.

As a web developer, unless you are deeply entrenched in Flash (I'm not), not having to skin a player inside Flash simply being able to use HTML/CSS is definitely a plus. This site is a work-in-progress, but here is an implementation of jPlayer with my own tweaks and customizations:

http://musicromm.netmusician.org


I'm not suggesting that you make a jPlayer clone, but leaving the reliance on Flash to a minimum I think would be a plus. As you know, one obvious reason for this is that your player will not work on iOS devices at all, and from what I understand Flash kind of sucks balls on Android devices too in terms of its performance/battery strain.

Ben Shewmaker May 7, 2011 2:51 PM

Hi everybody,

Between classes, I was attempting to teach myself some PHP this last
semester, and to test out my skills, I've been working on a simple
(actually, really really simple) little web based music player
(perhaps browser is a better term) project off and on. I think I've
finally reached a point where it is usable and so have uploaded the
project for others to poke around at. If anyone is interested, I'd
love some feedback on the little project as a whole, or, especially,
any comments on the code. What things did I do totally stupidly?
What things work but could be more efficient? What things don't work
at all? There's still so much I don't know so having others poke
around at my code (I hope) will give me some ideas on where/how to
improve.

I've only tested it on one server and so have no idea if it will work
at all on other systems and configurations. You can get more
info/download/view a demo here:
http://www.shewbox.org/music-for-naught/

Thanks!

Ben Shewmaker

p.s. I kinda suck at CSS, so it looks rather bad in IE. It looks
fine in Chrome, Firefox and Safari (haven't tried it in Opera yet).
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[BLUG] Music for Naught: My first attempt at a non-school programming project

Hi everybody,

Between classes, I was attempting to teach myself some PHP this last
semester, and to test out my skills, I've been working on a simple
(actually, really really simple) little web based music player
(perhaps browser is a better term) project off and on. I think I've
finally reached a point where it is usable and so have uploaded the
project for others to poke around at. If anyone is interested, I'd
love some feedback on the little project as a whole, or, especially,
any comments on the code. What things did I do totally stupidly?
What things work but could be more efficient? What things don't work
at all? There's still so much I don't know so having others poke
around at my code (I hope) will give me some ideas on where/how to
improve.

I've only tested it on one server and so have no idea if it will work
at all on other systems and configurations. You can get more
info/download/view a demo here:
http://www.shewbox.org/music-for-naught/

Thanks!

Ben Shewmaker

p.s. I kinda suck at CSS, so it looks rather bad in IE. It looks
fine in Chrome, Firefox and Safari (haven't tried it in Opera yet).
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[BLUG] Fwd: IU E-waste drop-off days

> From: dosman@bloominglabs.org
> Date: May 4, 2011 5:31:20 PM GMT-04:00
> To: Bloomington LINUX Users Group <blug@cs.indiana.edu>
> Subject: IU E-waste drop-off days
>
>
> FYI, I thought folks on these lists would appreciate this info.
> Also, if you are looking to build your own Dr. Evil Dungeon of
> Expired Technology [TM] you can probably snipe equipment before it
> ends up in IU's hands ;-).
>
> -Nathan
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> [1] Electronic Waste Collection Days: May 12-14
>>
>> Electronic Waste Collection Days, a free electronic waste recycling
>> drive, will take place in the Purple Lot of Memorial Stadium in
>> Bloomington and at the Glendale Town Shops in Indianapolis.
>>
>> * Institutional and Small Business Drop-Off Days
>> Thursday and Friday, May 12 and 13
>> 9am-2pm
>>
>> * Public/Consumer Drop-Off Day
>> Saturday, May 14
>> 9am-2pm
>>
>> Recycle your used computer, VCR, microwave, camera, television, and
>> more. It's free, and event staff will be on hand to help unload.
>>
>> For more information, visit:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=194795687231525
>> (Bloomington)
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162704267123911
>> (Indianapolis)
>>
>> Watch a video about the event at:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndDlTp3vgag

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Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Simón Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't endorse DD-WRT over OpenWRT or Tomato. I've used them all, and
> they all do what we need done. I've never needed anything from them
> besides what's available from the basic web config menus.

My only complaint with DD-WRT on my old Buffalo router was the slow
performance on wireless when transferring large files. That never
happened with the stock Buffalo firmware.

I ended up replacing it with an HP AP420, which I think is now
discontinued but can be found cheap online. It doesn't have 802.11n,
but its 802.11g is plenty fast for my needs.

Kevin

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Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been using OpenWRT <https://openwrt.org/>, though, and I've been a
> little lax on installing updates. I should either check out the features of
> the latest version, or I should try another product.
*snip*
> It looks like DD-WRT is completely web-based?
>
> I can't find any list of reasons why I would use DD-WRT in preference to
> another Linux-based product. Does anyone know of such a list?
*snip*

It is meant to configured via http, just like the original WRT54GL
(you have to install it over http, for example, using the original
WRT54GL's firmware update page). However, through the web-based
interface you can activate an SSH (and/or telnet, if you're into that
sort of thing...) server.

I don't endorse DD-WRT over OpenWRT or Tomato. I've used them all, and
they all do what we need done. I've never needed anything from them
besides what's available from the basic web config menus.

If you have specific needs, though, one might be better than another.
For example, I think there's a DD-WRT build that acts as a VoIP
server.

Just some thoughts.

Simón

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Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

On Monday 02 May 2011 2:59:54 PM Kelly McEvilly wrote:
> I like that idea. I had a h*ll of a time config'ing iptables on a dual
> ssid dd-wrt wrt54g and could really use the practice!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Krenz" <mark@slugbug.org>
> To: "Bloomington LINUX Users Group" <blug@cs.indiana.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 10:04:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] Att dsl
>
> On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:32:44AM GMT, Kelly McEvilly [kellym@wbhcp.com]
said the following:
> > Sadly, I have the same crappy Westell modem from Smithville at home.
> > Soon, they are gonna cut a trench across my yard and run fiber to my
> > house and I'm hoping I'll get a serious upgrade in equipment from them
> > when that happens.
>
> Since this is the Linux Users Group, I would suggest that when you get
> fiber to the house that you change your router to a Linux router setup
> on a low end PC. You should still pick reliable parts, but you can find
> some old Pentium 3 or 4 for $50 that you could slap an extra network
> card in and be fine. It will be much more reliable and flexible. You
> can even use one of the free router/firewall distributions such as
> SmoothWall, pfSense, Endian, etc. There are a ton of them. The only
> thing is that it'd use more power than one of the home broadband
> routers.
>
> Smithville basically just gives you an ethernet jack hooked up to
> their fiber-ethernet adapter, which you don't have to mess with.

thanks for all the feedback guys.

I am currently running pfsense 2.0 rc1 and it is actually looking like the
reason I can't get bridge mode working on my router is a bug currently in
pfsense.

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Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

The only problem I have with my WRT54GL is the older hardware (and thus only supporting the slower wireless speeds).

I've been using OpenWRT <https://openwrt.org/>, though, and I've been a little lax on installing updates. I should either check out the features of the latest version, or I should try another product.

OpenWRT was once based upon Debian, though it has evolved in to something unique. I picked it long ago now and at this point for reasons I can no longer remember. I do like configuring it completely through an SSH session and using the same firewall product on my router as I use for the rest of my systems. (I am a fan of Shorewall.)

It looks like DD-WRT is completely web-based?

I can't find any list of reasons why I would use DD-WRT in preference to another Linux-based product. Does anyone know of such a list?

Is DD-WRT purely prepackaged or does it have a package management system?

I like package management systems. Had I ever been a fan of RPM-based distros, I may be more fond of letting someone else making all my package choices, but being from a DEB-based background, I like to have choices.

It looks like there are a number of derivatives to OpenWRT at this point, too. I'm not sure if that's a good sign or a bad sign, though.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Kelly McEvilly <kellym@wbhcp.com> wrote:

I like that idea.  I had a h*ll of a time config'ing iptables on a dual ssid dd-wrt wrt54g and could really use the practice!

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Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 10:04:08 AM
Subject: Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:32:44AM GMT, Kelly McEvilly [kellym@wbhcp.com] said the following:
>
> Sadly, I have the same crappy Westell modem from Smithville at home. Soon, they are gonna cut a trench across my yard and run fiber to my house and I'm hoping I'll get a serious upgrade in equipment from them when that happens.

 Since this is the Linux Users Group, I would suggest that when you get
fiber to the house that you change your router to a Linux router setup
on a low end PC. You should still pick reliable parts, but you can find
some old Pentium 3 or 4 for $50 that you could slap an extra network
card in and be fine. It will be much more reliable and flexible.  You
can even use one of the free router/firewall distributions such as
SmoothWall, pfSense, Endian, etc. There are a ton of them. The only
thing is that it'd use more power than one of the home broadband
routers.

  Smithville basically just gives you an ethernet jack hooked up to
their fiber-ethernet adapter, which you don't have to mess with.

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I like that idea.  I had a h*ll of a time config'ing iptables on a dual ssid dd-wrt wrt54g and could really use the practice!

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Subject: Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:32:44AM GMT, Kelly McEvilly [kellym@wbhcp.com] said the following:
>
> Sadly, I have the same crappy Westell modem from Smithville at home. Soon, they are gonna cut a trench across my yard and run fiber to my house and I'm hoping I'll get a serious upgrade in equipment from them when that happens.

 Since this is the Linux Users Group, I would suggest that when you get
fiber to the house that you change your router to a Linux router setup
on a low end PC. You should still pick reliable parts, but you can find
some old Pentium 3 or 4 for $50 that you could slap an extra network
card in and be fine. It will be much more reliable and flexible.  You
can even use one of the free router/firewall distributions such as
SmoothWall, pfSense, Endian, etc. There are a ton of them. The only
thing is that it'd use more power than one of the home broadband
routers.

  Smithville basically just gives you an ethernet jack hooked up to
their fiber-ethernet adapter, which you don't have to mess with.

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Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

Yep.  That's the setup I use already except I don't think it's a WRT54GL.  I think it's just a WRT54G.

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Sent: Monday, May 2, 2011 12:00:25 PM
Subject: Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Beartooth <beartooth@beartooth.info> wrote:
>        Along that line, you might want to get the Linksys
> WRT54GL and flash it to dd-wrt. I have that behind a cable modem
> (can't get DSL at all, much less fiber), and it's doing fine.
>
> --
> Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
> Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

Vote two for dd-wrt, and WRT54GLs. A little older technology (100Mbps
wired, G wireless), but solid.

The only issues I've had with the dozens of them that we've been using
for years is that, sometimes, when there is a power surge, one of them
will freeze up and needs to be power cycled.

Simón

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On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Beartooth <beartooth@beartooth.info> wrote:
>        Along that line, you might want to get the Linksys
> WRT54GL and flash it to dd-wrt. I have that behind a cable modem
> (can't get DSL at all, much less fiber), and it's doing fine.
>
> --
> Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
> Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

Vote two for dd-wrt, and WRT54GLs. A little older technology (100Mbps
wired, G wireless), but solid.

The only issues I've had with the dozens of them that we've been using
for years is that, sometimes, when there is a power surge, one of them
will freeze up and needs to be power cycled.

Simón

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On Mon, 2 May 2011, Mark Krenz wrote:

> On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:32:44AM GMT, Kelly McEvilly
> [kellym@wbhcp.com] said the following:
>>
>> Sadly, I have the same crappy Westell modem from Smithville at
>> home. Soon, they are gonna cut a trench across my yard and run
>> fiber to my house and I'm hoping I'll get a serious upgrade in
>> equipment from them when that happens.
>
> Since this is the Linux Users Group, I would suggest that when
> you get fiber to the house that you change your router to a
> Linux router setup on a low end PC. You should still pick
> reliable parts, but you can find some old Pentium 3 or 4 for
> $50 that you could slap an extra network card in and be fine.
> It will be much more reliable and flexible. You can even use
> one of the free router/firewall distributions such as
> SmoothWall, pfSense, Endian, etc. There are a ton of them. The
> only thing is that it'd use more power than one of the home
> broadband routers.

Along that line, you might want to get the Linksys
WRT54GL and flash it to dd-wrt. I have that behind a cable modem
(can't get DSL at all, much less fiber), and it's doing fine.

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On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Kirk Gleason <kgleason@gmail.com> wrote:
> This I am interested in. We recently moved to UVerse, and I have what I
> think is a relatively new config. I have an external (as in outside) iNID,
> and then a 2Wire wireless router inside. I *think* that the STBs are all
> hooked into the iNID, and the router is only used for wifi. Problem is that
> the DHCP server keeps quitting on me, and I can't figure out why. If I could
> turn it off I would, but as it is I have to reset the thing about 2x per
> week. If they have a bridge mode that tech support can enable, then I will
> be calling them tonight.

Try this:

http://forums.att.com/t5/Residential-Gateway/U-verse-for-BUSINESS-2Wire-3600HGV-bridge-mode-or-another-AT-amp/td-p/2707013

IIRC, these are similar to the instructions I followed, and the bridge
mode is actually called DMZPlus.

I didn't have to call support, I was able to configure it myself
through the web interface on the residential gateway.

Don't know if that'll work with your setup or not.

Kevin
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This I am interested in. We recently moved to UVerse, and I have what I think is a relatively new config. I have an external (as in outside) iNID, and then a 2Wire wireless router inside. I *think* that the STBs are all hooked into the iNID, and the router is only used for wifi. Problem is that the DHCP server keeps quitting on me, and I can't figure out why. If I could turn it off I would, but as it is I have to reset the thing about 2x per week. If they have a bridge mode that tech support can enable, then I will be calling them tonight.

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Kevin Ratcliff <kevin@kevinratcliff.com> wrote:

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>  Since this is the Linux Users Group, I would suggest that when you get
> fiber to the house that you change your router to a Linux router setup
> on a low end PC. You should still pick reliable parts, but you can find
> some old Pentium 3 or 4 for $50 that you could slap an extra network
> card in and be fine. It will be much more reliable and flexible.  You
> can even use one of the free router/firewall distributions such as
> SmoothWall, pfSense, Endian, etc. There are a ton of them. The only
> thing is that it'd use more power than one of the home broadband
> routers.

I use an PC Engines ALIX board running pfSense and couldn't be happier:

http://pcengines.ch/alix2d1.htm

Very low power consumption and no moving parts. Uptime on mine is over
400 days now. I've had some power outages during that time, but even a
very small UPS will keep it running for a long time.

You should be able to find one for ~$100.

I have AT&T U-Verse and had to put the provided modem in some sort of
bridging mode before it would pass traffic to pfSense. Don't recall
the brand or model though.

Kevin

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Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>  Since this is the Linux Users Group, I would suggest that when you get
> fiber to the house that you change your router to a Linux router setup
> on a low end PC. You should still pick reliable parts, but you can find
> some old Pentium 3 or 4 for $50 that you could slap an extra network
> card in and be fine. It will be much more reliable and flexible.  You
> can even use one of the free router/firewall distributions such as
> SmoothWall, pfSense, Endian, etc. There are a ton of them. The only
> thing is that it'd use more power than one of the home broadband
> routers.

I use an PC Engines ALIX board running pfSense and couldn't be happier:

http://pcengines.ch/alix2d1.htm

Very low power consumption and no moving parts. Uptime on mine is over
400 days now. I've had some power outages during that time, but even a
very small UPS will keep it running for a long time.

You should be able to find one for ~$100.

I have AT&T U-Verse and had to put the provided modem in some sort of
bridging mode before it would pass traffic to pfSense. Don't recall
the brand or model though.

Kevin

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On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:32:44AM GMT, Kelly McEvilly [kellym@wbhcp.com] said the following:
>
> Sadly, I have the same crappy Westell modem from Smithville at home. Soon, they are gonna cut a trench across my yard and run fiber to my house and I'm hoping I'll get a serious upgrade in equipment from them when that happens.

Since this is the Linux Users Group, I would suggest that when you get
fiber to the house that you change your router to a Linux router setup
on a low end PC. You should still pick reliable parts, but you can find
some old Pentium 3 or 4 for $50 that you could slap an extra network
card in and be fine. It will be much more reliable and flexible. You
can even use one of the free router/firewall distributions such as
SmoothWall, pfSense, Endian, etc. There are a ton of them. The only
thing is that it'd use more power than one of the home broadband
routers.

Smithville basically just gives you an ethernet jack hooked up to
their fiber-ethernet adapter, which you don't have to mess with.

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Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

My own 2-cents on a topic that is constantly vexing me...

I have 4 locations using ATT DSL.  The Netopia's I have (3477's I think) are better then the Westell's.    Unfortunately, Motorola bought out Netopia and I honestly think what ATT supplies me with now from Motorola is even worse.  They set on a shelf as last ditch alternative in case the the Netopia's die.

Based on my own experience, your best bet is to call ATT tech support and ask them to help you put your modem into 'full bridge' mode.  You can then stick a router on the back side of the modem to handle authentication, NAT, SPI, encryption, port assignments, VPN's etc.  Most of my locations have a Cisco firewall behind the modem but two smaller locations use RV042 series firewall and they work very well 

Seriously, even the simplest Linksys router/firewall like the BEFSX41 is an electronic Fort Knox compared to the crappy modems the ISP's provide you.  Verizon is the same way.  I have their junk Westell's in a couple of location too.

Sadly, I have the same crappy Westell modem from Smithville at home.  Soon, they are gonna cut a trench across my yard and run fiber to my house and I'm hoping I'll get a serious upgrade in equipment from them when that happens.

Re: [BLUG] Att dsl

It is awestell modem that has really crappy firmware that has zero capability for such things

On May 1, 2011 7:51 AM, "jim marple" <jimmarple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> YES i had to basically go into my netopia's i think they are and reset everything from scratch and update the firmware.
> For both it took me a while to find all the diffrent spots to open ports and all i setup was printer shareing,vnc,ftp if you have a netopia they are a pain to setup.
> and att will argue with you every step of the way.
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:40:32 -0400
> From: lord.drachenblut@gmail.com
> To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: [BLUG] Att dsl
>
> Was curious if anyone else had run into att provided dsl modem acting as a firewall and blocking all ports on them?
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YES  i had to basically go into my netopia's i think they are and reset everything from scratch and update the firmware.
For both it took me a while to find all the diffrent spots to open ports and all i setup was printer shareing,vnc,ftp if you have a netopia they are a pain to setup.
and att will argue with you every step of the way.

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Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:40:32 -0400
From: lord.drachenblut@gmail.com
To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
Subject: [BLUG] Att dsl

Was curious if anyone else had run into att provided dsl modem acting as a firewall and blocking all ports on them?

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