Tuesday, July 27, 2010

Re: [BLUG] some advice to get a new laptop?

I had to mention frost byte systems because they specialize in systems for the visually impared

On Jul 27, 2010 1:03 PM, "Simón Ruiz" <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Lord Drachenblut
> <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would like to throw recommendations towards vendors like zareason system76
>> and frost byte systems
>>
>> All are vendors who sell laptops with Linux installed
>
> I'll lend a voice to that.
>
> My father is still happy with a System76 laptop he bought two or three
> years ago.
>
> And I'm happy with a System76 desktop that I bought to be my
> workstation at work (on which I am currently writing this).
>
> Simón
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Re: [BLUG] some advice to get a new laptop?

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Lord Drachenblut
<lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to throw recommendations towards vendors like zareason system76
> and frost byte systems
>
> All are vendors who sell laptops with Linux installed

I'll lend a voice to that.

My father is still happy with a System76 laptop he bought two or three
years ago.

And I'm happy with a System76 desktop that I bought to be my
workstation at work (on which I am currently writing this).

Simón

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Re: [BLUG] some advice to get a new laptop?

I would like to throw recommendations towards vendors like zareason system76 and frost byte systems

All are vendors who sell laptops with Linux installed

On Jul 27, 2010 12:04 PM, "Steven Black" <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
> With 2G datasets you're probably going to want something fairly heavy
> on the RAM side.
>
> This brings a problem for 32-bit CPUs. Because Windows only supports
> up to 4 gig of RAM for the 32-bit version, it is unlikely to find many
> 32-bit laptops supporting RAM configurations greater than 4 gig.
> Because of this, I recommend a 64-bit CPU. (Even if you only buy the
> laptop with 4 gig of RAM. It is nice to be able to get a RAM upgrade
> if needed.)
>
> Anytime you're dealing with CPU-intensive tasks dual-core or better is
> going to be handy. For some tasks you can use both cores, for others
> you can let one core do the heavy work while other allows her to
> continue using the laptop instead of walking away from it to let it
> finish. At this point I think it would be hard to find something that
> isn't at least dual-core, though.
>
> I used to really like IBM Thinkpads. Since Lenovo took the helm,
> though, I've been less prone to advocating them. I had a Lenovo start
> overheating after I installed a BIOS update. The old BIOS wasn't
> available. Future updates didn't help. I found it would mostly
> continue to work if I ran the CPUs at "power-save" and never used 3D
> apps... and manually monitored the temperature. (It over-heated more
> frequently in Windows. -- It wasn't a Linux issue.) Personally, I'm
> never going to buy another Lenovo.
>
> If either of you are IU students you should check out the discounts.
> There's a KB article about them.
>
> Laptops are pretty universally *not* user-serviceable. That being
> said, RAM and hard drive upgrades are not always easy to perform on
> some laptops. The prices just keep dropping, though, so even if she
> thinks she won't need any more in the future this is still something
> to be aware of.
>
> Check http://linux-laptop.net/ before you purchase even if you're
> familiar with the brand and have had good luck with them in the past.
> It can save you a lot of trouble.
>
> A lot of webcams work in Linux. The problem here is that chipsets
> sometimes change even when the name of the product does not. Given the
> device in front of you and an 'lsusb' (or 'lspci') and you can find
> out whether it works fairly easily. You'll need a Google search of the
> product name to see if other folks have general success, some success,
> or total failure.
>
> Personally, I'm partial to the built-in webcams if they're available
> and have a supported chipset. They're just super convenient.
>
> I think the <$1000 price range is probably realistic. Depending on the
> size of the screen she wants and how much RAM she wants you may go
> over, but probably not by too much.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jose Ignacio Lucas Lledo
> <ignasilucas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear BLUGers,
>>
>> My girlfriend is about to buy a new laptop, she asked me for some
>> advice, and I thought that I'd better ask you, guys. Her preferences are
>> the following:
>>
>> - First of all, she wants the hardware to be good, so that it can last a
>> long time. Her previous laptop (a 3 years old Lenovo of some kind that I
>> don't remember) had problems all the time. It performed much better,
>> though, once she switched to Linux. Right now keys "T" and "Y" do not
>> work, no matter how strong you hit them.
>>
>> - She'd like the laptop mostly to write, but also to run statistical
>> analysis with R, which may involve datasets of <= 2GB, and CPU-intensive
>> calculations. She wonders if 64 bit architectures are standard now in
>> laptops, or if they are worthy. Also, how many cores? I guess a dual
>> core is something good already, right?
>>
>> - She doesn't need a lot of storage capacity.
>>
>> In summary: she wants a robust laptop, whose processor she can feel
>> proud of, and in which she can run ubuntu. She uses skype with a webcam
>> often, and I know that not all webcams are automatically detected and
>> configured by ubuntu. Any ideas?
>>
>> Other considerations: I think some of you work on (or know about) local
>> businesses with awesome technical services; feel free to tell me about
>> them. About the budget, I don't think she wants to spend more than 1000
>> $.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Ignasi.
>>
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Re: [BLUG] OT -- need AGP video card

Thanks Kirk. I've responded off-list.

Kirk Gleason wrote:
> I am amassing a pile of stuff to dispose of at work. I'll check and
> see if there are any AGP cards in the pile. If so, you're more than
> welcome to take any of them ...
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Mark Warner <mhwarner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've been working on a charity
>> take-two-junkers-and-make-one-workable-box project on and off for a few
>> days, and could really use a more recent video card than what I've got
>> available.
>>
>> The problem I'm running into is that the owner has a 19" widescreen LCD,
>> and the antique ATI Rage card that I've got doesn't support any
>> widescreen resolutions under Windows. The latest driver is dated 2001.
>> (This is set up as a Win/Lin dual boot, and of course I have no problem
>> at all on the Linux side -- the vesa driver gives me 1280x800 OOTB.)
>>
>> If anybody has a more recent AGP card laying around that they could
>> spare (preferably nVidia), I'd appreciate it if you would allow me to
>> put it to good use. As I said, this is a charity project -- the owner
>> has a collection of donated components that I'm this -->|==|<-- far away
>> from making into a usable system.
>>
>> mhwarner at gmail...
>>
>> --
>> Mark Warner
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>
>
>


--
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MEPIS Linux
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Re: [BLUG] some advice to get a new laptop?

With 2G datasets you're probably going to want something fairly heavy
on the RAM side.

This brings a problem for 32-bit CPUs. Because Windows only supports
up to 4 gig of RAM for the 32-bit version, it is unlikely to find many
32-bit laptops supporting RAM configurations greater than 4 gig.
Because of this, I recommend a 64-bit CPU. (Even if you only buy the
laptop with 4 gig of RAM. It is nice to be able to get a RAM upgrade
if needed.)

Anytime you're dealing with CPU-intensive tasks dual-core or better is
going to be handy. For some tasks you can use both cores, for others
you can let one core do the heavy work while other allows her to
continue using the laptop instead of walking away from it to let it
finish. At this point I think it would be hard to find something that
isn't at least dual-core, though.

I used to really like IBM Thinkpads. Since Lenovo took the helm,
though, I've been less prone to advocating them. I had a Lenovo start
overheating after I installed a BIOS update. The old BIOS wasn't
available. Future updates didn't help. I found it would mostly
continue to work if I ran the CPUs at "power-save" and never used 3D
apps... and manually monitored the temperature. (It over-heated more
frequently in Windows. -- It wasn't a Linux issue.) Personally, I'm
never going to buy another Lenovo.

If either of you are IU students you should check out the discounts.
There's a KB article about them.

Laptops are pretty universally *not* user-serviceable. That being
said, RAM and hard drive upgrades are not always easy to perform on
some laptops. The prices just keep dropping, though, so even if she
thinks she won't need any more in the future this is still something
to be aware of.

Check http://linux-laptop.net/ before you purchase even if you're
familiar with the brand and have had good luck with them in the past.
It can save you a lot of trouble.

A lot of webcams work in Linux. The problem here is that chipsets
sometimes change even when the name of the product does not. Given the
device in front of you and an 'lsusb' (or 'lspci') and you can find
out whether it works fairly easily. You'll need a Google search of the
product name to see if other folks have general success, some success,
or total failure.

Personally, I'm partial to the built-in webcams if they're available
and have a supported chipset. They're just super convenient.

I think the <$1000 price range is probably realistic. Depending on the
size of the screen she wants and how much RAM she wants you may go
over, but probably not by too much.

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jose Ignacio Lucas Lledo
<ignasilucas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear BLUGers,
>
> My girlfriend is about to buy a new laptop, she asked me for some
> advice, and I thought that I'd better ask you, guys. Her preferences are
> the following:
>
> - First of all, she wants the hardware to be good, so that it can last a
> long time. Her previous laptop (a 3 years old Lenovo of some kind that I
> don't remember) had problems all the time. It performed much better,
> though, once she switched to Linux. Right now keys "T" and "Y" do not
> work, no matter how strong you hit them.
>
> - She'd like the laptop mostly to write, but also to run statistical
> analysis with R, which may involve datasets of <= 2GB, and CPU-intensive
> calculations. She wonders if 64 bit architectures are standard now in
> laptops, or if they are worthy. Also, how many cores? I guess a dual
> core is something good already, right?
>
> - She doesn't need a lot of storage capacity.
>
> In summary: she wants a robust laptop, whose processor she can feel
> proud of, and in which she can run ubuntu. She uses skype with a webcam
> often, and I know that not all webcams are automatically detected and
> configured by ubuntu. Any ideas?
>
> Other considerations: I think some of you work on (or know about) local
> businesses with awesome technical services; feel free to tell me about
> them. About the budget, I don't think she wants to spend more than 1000
> $.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ignasi.
>
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
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> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
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[BLUG] some advice to get a new laptop?

Dear BLUGers,

My girlfriend is about to buy a new laptop, she asked me for some
advice, and I thought that I'd better ask you, guys. Her preferences are
the following:

- First of all, she wants the hardware to be good, so that it can last a
long time. Her previous laptop (a 3 years old Lenovo of some kind that I
don't remember) had problems all the time. It performed much better,
though, once she switched to Linux. Right now keys "T" and "Y" do not
work, no matter how strong you hit them.

- She'd like the laptop mostly to write, but also to run statistical
analysis with R, which may involve datasets of <= 2GB, and CPU-intensive
calculations. She wonders if 64 bit architectures are standard now in
laptops, or if they are worthy. Also, how many cores? I guess a dual
core is something good already, right?

- She doesn't need a lot of storage capacity.

In summary: she wants a robust laptop, whose processor she can feel
proud of, and in which she can run ubuntu. She uses skype with a webcam
often, and I know that not all webcams are automatically detected and
configured by ubuntu. Any ideas?

Other considerations: I think some of you work on (or know about) local
businesses with awesome technical services; feel free to tell me about
them. About the budget, I don't think she wants to spend more than 1000
$.

Thank you,

Ignasi.

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