Friday, October 19, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Gutsy question

Joe Auty wrote:
> Steven Black wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 11:48:51AM -0400, Joe Auty wrote:
>>> So, what is the best way to do a reinstall of Gutsy considering the fact
>>> that the net install is no longer an option in Update Manager or via
>>> doing a "do-release-upgrade" in the command line? I obviously do not
>>> want to reformat my drive and start over again.
>>>
>>> Is there anyway to force a net reinstall? Should I try the alternate CD?
>> This isn't really the horrible problem that it seems right now. These
>> sorts of things happen and it is typically straight-forward to resume.
>>
>> You are right. You have a partial install. However all the initial
>> upgrade processes were run, so you should be able to complete the
>> install, just like any other interrupted installation.
>>
>> There may be some caveats. When this happened to me for a previous upgrade
>> the init->upstart migration didn't quite work. Your best bet is to check
>> the docs to see if there are any potential issues. In most cases, though
>> it just picks up where it left off and keeps on running. (When this happened
>> to me with the Gutsy Beta, it picked up just fine, so I wouldn't expect
>> problems.)
>>
>> This is to say, use standard packaging tools. Synaptic, Aptitude, or
>> whatever you're familiar with. If the package management system is
>> left in the middle, you may be asked to run 'dpkg --configure -a'
>> or something to straighten the system out before normal package
>> installation can resume. (The package management system should inform
>> you of what you need to do.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steven Black
>>
>
> I'm starting to think that my initial assessment was probably wrong.
>
> I'm missing my "Desktop Effects" control panel here on my work machine,
> but this is probably because my stupid ATI card here doesn't support
> them. This is in part what threw me, I figured that it was removed from
> Ubuntu altogether...
>
> On my home machine, the upgraded machine in question, Compiz was not
> automatically enabled. I haven't yet checked to see whether I can enable
> Desktop Effects using the control panel on my home machine, because I
> was in a rush and was thinking foolishly that I could do this over VNC
> from work. Doing this via VNC I get "composite extension is
> unavailable", but I'm pretty certain that this is because I'm using VNC.
> Perhaps the VNC servers will have to rethink about the best way to
> provide VNC service on compiz enabled machines now? Obviously, having
> two different environments (i.e. a Metacity environment for VNC, Compiz
> for local user) is not really ideal since some apps don't work properly
> under Metacity now...
>
> At any rate, I'll let you guys know if my problem is solved simply by
> enabling Desktop Effects. Perhaps they were disabled because I upgraded
> my NVidia card through Envy under Fiesty?
>
>
> According to apt-get there are no packages awaiting updates, and nothing
> to configure doing a dpkg --configure -a either. I'm hoping that my
> confusion stems from what I've described above and that my upgrade did
> actually go okay...
>
>


Okay, as it turns out my Desktop Effects were simply disabled...
Everything is back up and running now. A couple of apps will need an
update from the looks of it, just as Avant, and the MythTV frontend
still doesn't work well with with compiz, but I'm back up and running
again...


>
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Re: [BLUG] Gutsy question

Steven Black wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 11:48:51AM -0400, Joe Auty wrote:
>> So, what is the best way to do a reinstall of Gutsy considering the fact
>> that the net install is no longer an option in Update Manager or via
>> doing a "do-release-upgrade" in the command line? I obviously do not
>> want to reformat my drive and start over again.
>>
>> Is there anyway to force a net reinstall? Should I try the alternate CD?
>
> This isn't really the horrible problem that it seems right now. These
> sorts of things happen and it is typically straight-forward to resume.
>
> You are right. You have a partial install. However all the initial
> upgrade processes were run, so you should be able to complete the
> install, just like any other interrupted installation.
>
> There may be some caveats. When this happened to me for a previous upgrade
> the init->upstart migration didn't quite work. Your best bet is to check
> the docs to see if there are any potential issues. In most cases, though
> it just picks up where it left off and keeps on running. (When this happened
> to me with the Gutsy Beta, it picked up just fine, so I wouldn't expect
> problems.)
>
> This is to say, use standard packaging tools. Synaptic, Aptitude, or
> whatever you're familiar with. If the package management system is
> left in the middle, you may be asked to run 'dpkg --configure -a'
> or something to straighten the system out before normal package
> installation can resume. (The package management system should inform
> you of what you need to do.)
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Black
>

I'm starting to think that my initial assessment was probably wrong.

I'm missing my "Desktop Effects" control panel here on my work machine,
but this is probably because my stupid ATI card here doesn't support
them. This is in part what threw me, I figured that it was removed from
Ubuntu altogether...

On my home machine, the upgraded machine in question, Compiz was not
automatically enabled. I haven't yet checked to see whether I can enable
Desktop Effects using the control panel on my home machine, because I
was in a rush and was thinking foolishly that I could do this over VNC
from work. Doing this via VNC I get "composite extension is
unavailable", but I'm pretty certain that this is because I'm using VNC.
Perhaps the VNC servers will have to rethink about the best way to
provide VNC service on compiz enabled machines now? Obviously, having
two different environments (i.e. a Metacity environment for VNC, Compiz
for local user) is not really ideal since some apps don't work properly
under Metacity now...

At any rate, I'll let you guys know if my problem is solved simply by
enabling Desktop Effects. Perhaps they were disabled because I upgraded
my NVidia card through Envy under Fiesty?


According to apt-get there are no packages awaiting updates, and nothing
to configure doing a dpkg --configure -a either. I'm hoping that my
confusion stems from what I've described above and that my upgrade did
actually go okay...

>
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Re: [BLUG] Gutsy question

On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 11:48:51AM -0400, Joe Auty wrote:
> So, what is the best way to do a reinstall of Gutsy considering the fact
> that the net install is no longer an option in Update Manager or via
> doing a "do-release-upgrade" in the command line? I obviously do not
> want to reformat my drive and start over again.
>
> Is there anyway to force a net reinstall? Should I try the alternate CD?

This isn't really the horrible problem that it seems right now. These
sorts of things happen and it is typically straight-forward to resume.

You are right. You have a partial install. However all the initial
upgrade processes were run, so you should be able to complete the
install, just like any other interrupted installation.

There may be some caveats. When this happened to me for a previous upgrade
the init->upstart migration didn't quite work. Your best bet is to check
the docs to see if there are any potential issues. In most cases, though
it just picks up where it left off and keeps on running. (When this happened
to me with the Gutsy Beta, it picked up just fine, so I wouldn't expect
problems.)

This is to say, use standard packaging tools. Synaptic, Aptitude, or
whatever you're familiar with. If the package management system is
left in the middle, you may be asked to run 'dpkg --configure -a'
or something to straighten the system out before normal package
installation can resume. (The package management system should inform
you of what you need to do.)

Cheers,
Steven Black


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[BLUG] Gutsy question

Last night I upgrade to Gutsy on a machine using the recommended net
install. It went fine on one machine, but on another it complained about
my mythtv backend crashing and it appears as if I'm left with an
incomplete install...

Upon rebooting, update manager is not reporting any updates, yet Compiz
is not loaded, I'm missing the Screens and Graphics control panel, and I
still have the Desktop Effects control panel. This is what leads me to
believe that I have an incomplete reinstall.

So, what is the best way to do a reinstall of Gutsy considering the fact
that the net install is no longer an option in Update Manager or via
doing a "do-release-upgrade" in the command line? I obviously do not
want to reformat my drive and start over again.

Is there anyway to force a net reinstall? Should I try the alternate CD?

--
Joe Auty
NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
http://www.netmusician.org
joe@netmusician.org
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