Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

just a trick i had to do to stop crashes on my system.  straight from the dev

echo "default_driver=alsa" >> ~/.libao

cheers

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I've got the page bookmarked to take a look later--the clean editing screen, especially on a netbook, looks terrific.


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Lord Drachenblut <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier.  it is a full screen text editor basically.  very light weight written in qt.  the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.

cheers


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BLUG mailing list
>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Krenz
>> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
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>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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>

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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

Yes, I've got the page bookmarked to take a look later--the clean editing screen, especially on a netbook, looks terrific.


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Lord Drachenblut <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier.  it is a full screen text editor basically.  very light weight written in qt.  the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.

cheers


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BLUG mailing list
>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Krenz
>> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>

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UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"

Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier.  it is a full screen text editor basically.  very light weight written in qt.  the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.

cheers

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)


On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BLUG mailing list
>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Krenz
>> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>

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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BLUG mailing list
>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Krenz
>> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>

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UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"

Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.

If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.

They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0

I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)

Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)

Cheers,
Steven Black

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>>  I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

That's a really funny way to spell "Emacs",  you know.....

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jeremy L. Gaddis <jlgaddis@gnu.org> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04:03AM -0500, Ana Greavu-Rachow wrote:
>    She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
>    machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
>    product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
>    netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.

Sounds like a great opportunity to teach her vi.  =)

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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04:03AM -0500, Ana Greavu-Rachow wrote:
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.

Sounds like a great opportunity to teach her vi. =)

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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

True, but its so much easier than it used to be. Now you litterally
can just click on the setup.exe and it will put a working icon on your
desktop. I recently bought a children's game for my daughter to play on
our HTPC, and it was just that easy. And it wasn't just that game,
seems like several windows programs and games I've tried under wine
recently have "just worked". A few exceptions of course, but I'd say
half work without trouble, which I find truely remarkable.

My daughter enjoys playing several Linux native games as well as using
Tuxpaint and Stellarium and then so far most of the kids games I've
bought for her like Dora, Cailliou and Spongebob all have worked in Wine
pretty well.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:39:57PM GMT, Matt Zink [matthewzin@gmail.com] said the following:
> While it's true that Linux will probably run many games, I don't think most
> people can be bothered to make them work on Linux. If it's not a simple
> "double click on the .exe.", then most people seem go for Windows.

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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

An application for writing to check out is focuswriter.  Available from gottcode.org/focuswriter  available for linux windows and osx

On Nov 17, 2010 11:04 AM, "Ana Greavu-Rachow" <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
>
> Husband has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>> I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow [
>> pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at
>> least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
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>
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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

LOL!

Husband  has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.



On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:

 Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
I've gotten into. ;-)

 I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
> I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
> stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older Mac,
> that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH better
> with Linux...
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >  I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
> >
> >  While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
> > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
> > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
> > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
> > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
> > possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
> > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
> > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
> > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
> > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at least
> > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
> >
> >  I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
> > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
> > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
> > thing to share.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Krenz
> > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> > _______________________________________________
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> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
I've gotten into. ;-)

I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
> I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
> stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older Mac,
> that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH better
> with Linux...
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
> >
> > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
> > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
> > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
> > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
> > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
> > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
> > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
> > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
> > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
> > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
> > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
> >
> > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
> > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
> > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
> > thing to share.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Krenz
> > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

Doesn't surprise me. The kid wants to play games. The mom is tired of
paying to have it deloused.

Mark Krenz wrote:
> I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>
> While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
> conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
> teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
> is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
> was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
> possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
> and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
> and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
> and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
> would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
> seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>
> I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
> or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
> even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
> thing to share.
>
>
>

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Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

While it's true that Linux will probably run many games, I don't think most people can be bothered to make them work on Linux.  If it's not a simple "double click on the .exe.", then most people seem go for Windows.  

Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

Sadly, I've had no luck getting Half Life (I or II) running on my Ubuntu machine.  I probably just need to spend more time with it.

Re: [BLUG] Story of reversed roles

I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older Mac, that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH better with Linux...

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On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:

 I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.

 While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
possibly not running many games.  Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
would actually fully install and run under Wine these days.  It at least
seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.

 I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
thing to share.



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[BLUG] Story of reversed roles

I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.

While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.

I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
thing to share.

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