BLUG: August 2007

Wednesday, August 29, 2007

[BLUG] new Distro

I am working on a project to create a lightweight Linux workstation distro for older hardware, mainly PII and PIII machines. The goal is a functional desktop with easy installation and configuration. This is not a LiveCD like damn small linux but a complete installation distro which uses IceWM for the window manager. All of the applications from Debian stable are available post install for those who need additional software. We could use a little help with testing and a few details if anyone has time or wants to.
Deb-Ice is a customized Debian distribution uses apt for package management and the 2.6 kernel. Deb-Ice simplifys the process of installing Debian on an older machine. Currently we just have an installer which uses the Debian repositories. Once we get to version 1.0 we will release an iso for offline installation. The IceWM window manager is installed along with a selection of applications for everyday use, most of which are selected for low memory usage, although familar applications such as a Mozilla browser suite are also included for those who would rather use them. We are working on getting together the needed graphical configuration utilities as well. It is a desktop workstation distribution to simple functionality and performance on older hardware.
Basically everything is together but we need to make sure nothing important is missing or see if anyone can think of some other applications that need to be added. Things we need help with include:
* testing sound, printing
* Getting together some information (documentation and HowTos) about getting these things working for the distribution.
* There are a few broken pieces of software lying around that we would like to get included if anyone that can program in C++ or C would like to work on. These are basically just configuration utilities which are missing. debian packaging expertise would also be helpful here.
* We could use some prople who are good with graphics to create icons for the menu items, which are not completed yet.

Website is still under construction but can be found at http://icelinux.net If you would like to help out Just send me an email if you want to help out and then download the iso
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=203391
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Monday, August 27, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Postfix email router

Well, some people use them in their procmail rules or whatever. I'd
prefer for them to be accurate, meaning showing the original destination
address. I know the To: line shows that but if some people are already
counting X-Original-To being right, then......

I think Wietse thought I was doing some kind of content filtering that
was rewriting that line, but I'm not AFAIK. I was doing greylisting for
a bit, but I turned that off and am having the same problem.

Mark

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 04:58:23AM GMT, Matt Standish [mstandish@gmail.com] said the following:
> That is the common way of redirecting mail. My X-Orinigal-To headers
> say the same thing. The important header (double check this) is the
> Return-Path header.
>
> X- headers are usually only used for informational purposes and spam
> scores. I don't think they are ever used for mail routing without
> writing your own milter to utilize them. If you still have an account
> with 'that other ISP' then I would check your headers on an email from
> that account. Email is routed the same way.
>
> Wietse usually responds quickly, I would give him a chance to see your bump.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/26/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
> >
> > Cool. I'm doing it through virtual users. So I have a table that has
> > values like this:
> >
> > mark@slugbug.org mark@camille.servers.suso.org
> >
> >
> > arvo.suso.org being the server that I want to have mail for that email
> > address delivered to. But the X-Original-To: header on the delivered
> > messages ends up showing mark@camille.servers.suso.org whereas I would
> > expect it to show mark@slugbug.org.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 02:49:11AM GMT, Matt Standish [mstandish@gmail.com] said the following:
> > > I do. How are you redirecting your mail? Through virtual users or transports?
> > >
> > > On 8/26/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone on the list have a setup where you have at least two email
> > > > servers running Postfix where one acts as a "email router" and the
> > > > second one is the delivery host.
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to set this up for Suso and have it working, except that
> > > > the X-Original-To header line is being changed to the
> > > > username@delivery.host address instead of keeping its original address.
> > > >
> > > > I've written to the postfix users mailing list, but am not getting
> > > > much help there.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mark Krenz
> > > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > BLUG mailing list
> > > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matt Standish
> > > MSN Messenger: mps_@hotmail.com
> > > Yahoo Messenger: mattstandish@yahoo.com
> > > Google Talk: mstandish
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BLUG mailing list
> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Krenz
> > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BLUG mailing list
> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> >
>
>
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Sunday, August 26, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Postfix email router

That is the common way of redirecting mail. My X-Orinigal-To headers
say the same thing. The important header (double check this) is the
Return-Path header.

X- headers are usually only used for informational purposes and spam
scores. I don't think they are ever used for mail routing without
writing your own milter to utilize them. If you still have an account
with 'that other ISP' then I would check your headers on an email from
that account. Email is routed the same way.

Wietse usually responds quickly, I would give him a chance to see your bump.

On 8/26/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
> Cool. I'm doing it through virtual users. So I have a table that has
> values like this:
>
> mark@slugbug.org mark@camille.servers.suso.org
>
>
> arvo.suso.org being the server that I want to have mail for that email
> address delivered to. But the X-Original-To: header on the delivered
> messages ends up showing mark@camille.servers.suso.org whereas I would
> expect it to show mark@slugbug.org.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 02:49:11AM GMT, Matt Standish [mstandish@gmail.com] said the following:
> > I do. How are you redirecting your mail? Through virtual users or transports?
> >
> > On 8/26/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone on the list have a setup where you have at least two email
> > > servers running Postfix where one acts as a "email router" and the
> > > second one is the delivery host.
> > >
> > > I'm trying to set this up for Suso and have it working, except that
> > > the X-Original-To header line is being changed to the
> > > username@delivery.host address instead of keeping its original address.
> > >
> > > I've written to the postfix users mailing list, but am not getting
> > > much help there.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Krenz
> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BLUG mailing list
> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matt Standish
> > MSN Messenger: mps_@hotmail.com
> > Yahoo Messenger: mattstandish@yahoo.com
> > Google Talk: mstandish
> > _______________________________________________
> > BLUG mailing list
> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> >
>
> --
> Mark Krenz
> Bloomington Linux Users Group
> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>

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Re: [BLUG] Postfix email router

Cool. I'm doing it through virtual users. So I have a table that has
values like this:

mark@slugbug.org mark@camille.servers.suso.org

arvo.suso.org being the server that I want to have mail for that email
address delivered to. But the X-Original-To: header on the delivered
messages ends up showing mark@camille.servers.suso.org whereas I would
expect it to show mark@slugbug.org.

Mark

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 02:49:11AM GMT, Matt Standish [mstandish@gmail.com] said the following:
> I do. How are you redirecting your mail? Through virtual users or transports?
>
> On 8/26/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone on the list have a setup where you have at least two email
> > servers running Postfix where one acts as a "email router" and the
> > second one is the delivery host.
> >
> > I'm trying to set this up for Suso and have it working, except that
> > the X-Original-To header line is being changed to the
> > username@delivery.host address instead of keeping its original address.
> >
> > I've written to the postfix users mailing list, but am not getting
> > much help there.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> > --
> > Mark Krenz
> > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BLUG mailing list
> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> >
>
>
> --
> Matt Standish
> MSN Messenger: mps_@hotmail.com
> Yahoo Messenger: mattstandish@yahoo.com
> Google Talk: mstandish
> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: [BLUG] Postfix email router

I do. How are you redirecting your mail? Through virtual users or transports?

On 8/26/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
> Does anyone on the list have a setup where you have at least two email
> servers running Postfix where one acts as a "email router" and the
> second one is the delivery host.
>
> I'm trying to set this up for Suso and have it working, except that
> the X-Original-To header line is being changed to the
> username@delivery.host address instead of keeping its original address.
>
> I've written to the postfix users mailing list, but am not getting
> much help there.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Krenz
> Bloomington Linux Users Group
> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>

[BLUG] Postfix email router

Does anyone on the list have a setup where you have at least two email
servers running Postfix where one acts as a "email router" and the
second one is the delivery host.

I'm trying to set this up for Suso and have it working, except that
the X-Original-To header line is being changed to the
username@delivery.host address instead of keeping its original address.

I've written to the postfix users mailing list, but am not getting
much help there.

Thanks,
Mark

Saturday, August 25, 2007

[BLUG] BLUG website

I got sick of the spam on the BLUG wiki so I installed the
SpamBlacklist extension for mediawiki on the site. This should solve
the problem. Its worked great on Bloomingpedia.

Thursday, August 23, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Social Meeting: Thursday August 23rd at 7:30pm

Is there such a thing as having enough 80s rock star endorsements? I think not.

Dave Cooley dcooley@kiva.net

Mark Krenz wrote:

  Well, I think BLUG needs more 80s rockstar endorsements.    http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/David_Lee_Roth   On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 08:16:46PM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:

On a side note: Opie Taylors got ruled out due to David Lee Roth will be there signing autographs tomorrow evening.  Might be a bit busy.  Scott Blaydes  Mark Krenz wrote:

  Cool.  Marina and I both will be there.  On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 07:16:24PM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:

BLUG will be having a social meeting on Thursday, August 23rd starting at 7:30 and running until we get bored and leave (or are kicked out). There will be no presentation, but there should be alot of good Linux and general geek talk.  The location of the meeting will be Upland Brewing Company at 350 W 11th Street.  You can find the menu at http://uplandbeer.com along with information about their hand-crafted beers.  Hope to see you there.  Thank you, Scott Blaydes _______________________________________________ BLUG mailing list BLUG@linuxfan.com http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug

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Wednesday, August 22, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Social Meeting: Thursday August 23rd at 7:30pm

Well, I think BLUG needs more 80s rockstar endorsements.

http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/David_Lee_Roth

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 08:16:46PM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:
> On a side note: Opie Taylors got ruled out due to David Lee Roth will be
> there signing autographs tomorrow evening. Might be a bit busy.
>
> Scott Blaydes
>
> Mark Krenz wrote:
> > Cool. Marina and I both will be there.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 07:16:24PM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:
> >> BLUG will be having a social meeting on Thursday, August 23rd starting
> >> at 7:30 and running until we get bored and leave (or are kicked out).
> >> There will be no presentation, but there should be alot of good Linux
> >> and general geek talk. The location of the meeting will be Upland
> >> Brewing Company at 350 W 11th Street. You can find the menu at
> >> http://uplandbeer.com along with information about their hand-crafted
> >> beers.
> >>
> >> Hope to see you there.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Scott Blaydes
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BLUG mailing list
> >> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> >> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> >>
> >
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Re: [BLUG] Social Meeting: Thursday August 23rd at 7:30pm

On a side note: Opie Taylors got ruled out due to David Lee Roth will be
there signing autographs tomorrow evening. Might be a bit busy.

Scott Blaydes

Mark Krenz wrote:
> Cool. Marina and I both will be there.
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 07:16:24PM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:
>> BLUG will be having a social meeting on Thursday, August 23rd starting
>> at 7:30 and running until we get bored and leave (or are kicked out).
>> There will be no presentation, but there should be alot of good Linux
>> and general geek talk. The location of the meeting will be Upland
>> Brewing Company at 350 W 11th Street. You can find the menu at
>> http://uplandbeer.com along with information about their hand-crafted
>> beers.
>>
>> Hope to see you there.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Scott Blaydes
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>

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Re: [BLUG] Social Meeting: Thursday August 23rd at 7:30pm

Cool. Marina and I both will be there.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 07:16:24PM GMT, Scott Blaydes [sblaydes@sbce.org] said the following:
> BLUG will be having a social meeting on Thursday, August 23rd starting
> at 7:30 and running until we get bored and leave (or are kicked out).
> There will be no presentation, but there should be alot of good Linux
> and general geek talk. The location of the meeting will be Upland
> Brewing Company at 350 W 11th Street. You can find the menu at
> http://uplandbeer.com along with information about their hand-crafted
> beers.
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Blaydes
> _______________________________________________
> BLUG mailing list
> BLUG@linuxfan.com
> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>

[BLUG] Social Meeting: Thursday August 23rd at 7:30pm

BLUG will be having a social meeting on Thursday, August 23rd starting
at 7:30 and running until we get bored and leave (or are kicked out).
There will be no presentation, but there should be alot of good Linux
and general geek talk. The location of the meeting will be Upland
Brewing Company at 350 W 11th Street. You can find the menu at
http://uplandbeer.com along with information about their hand-crafted
beers.

Hope to see you there.

Thank you,
Scott Blaydes
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Re: [BLUG] DVD player troubles

Steven, that is a great point, thanks for bringing it up. I have no
problem with admitting my own guilt, but I probably should have
considered the rest of you before I posted to the list. My apologies to
you all. (Note to snooping government agents: This is not an admission
of guilt, and I have never stated that this disc has any form of
encryption or copy-protection. Please assume that it is an unencrypted
disc and that my activities are completely legal, and please continue on
your merry way. Thank you.)

Jeffrey, thanks for the links, I'll take a look at them tonight. :)

-Evan

P.S. Is the list archived somewhere? I know that many are... Maybe we
should all bust out our PGP keys.

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RE: [BLUG] DVD player troubles

Steven Black wrote:
> I remind you that this is an open channel, and the government has
> publicly stated that there is no expectation of privacy in
> unencrypted email. They believe they can freely monitor email
> traffic, and I heard that they were doing so prior to 9/11.
> Ignoring that, it is quite possible the list may be archived
> unobstrusively somewhere that provides it a connection to a
> search engine. As I said, this is an open channel. Anyone may be
> reading.

And just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get
you... =)

*puts on tinfoil hat*

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RE: [BLUG] DVD player troubles

Try looking at this FAQ. It's for a different player, but it has a few
suggestions that may be relevant. It may be a permissions issue.
<http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/faq.shtml>

This site had another possible suggestion,
<http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=849403&postcount=3>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu [mailto:blug-admin@cs.indiana.edu] On
> Behalf Of Boggs, Evan Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:26 AM
> To: blug@cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] DVD player troubles
>
> On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 02:16 -0400, Michel Salim wrote:
> > Does the disc work fine on other computers, or under Windows?
> Yes, I've tried a couple discs that *wouldn't* play under Linux on my
> Windows partition, and both played fine. (Additionally, I tried one
on
> a friend's laptop and it worked fine there, too.) So VLC has no
> problem
> talking to the drive under Windows, just under Linux.
>
> > What version of libdvdread?
> I was using 0.9.4 (from the repos), but I compiled the latest version
> (0.9.7) to see if it would make a difference (it didn't).
>
> > I used Lite-on the last time I made a purchase, and was quite happy
> > with it.
> I'll keep that in mind, thanks. I'd rather not spend $30 on a new
one,
> but I might have to. (I've taken to ripping ISO images to my hard
> drive
> and mounting those. Maybe I'll stave off buying a new player until I
> run out of hard drive space.)
>
> > Firmware should be no problem for using VLC or mplayer,
> > really, as long as you can get raw access to the disc (haven't heard
> > any instance of it not working in Linux, unlike in Mac OS X where
> > Apple controls the drivers)
> The weird thing about this whole mess is that upgrading the firmware
> *did* allow me to play some discs that I hadn't been able to play
> previously, so it most likely had *some* impact.
>
> > Make a BartPE Windows live CD?
> Not a bad idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Evan
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Re: [BLUG] DVD player troubles

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 01:26:11AM -0400, Evan Boggs wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 02:16 -0400, Michel Salim wrote:
> > Does the disc work fine on other computers, or under Windows?
> Yes, I've tried a couple discs that *wouldn't* play under Linux on my
> Windows partition, and both played fine. (Additionally, I tried one on
> a friend's laptop and it worked fine there, too.) So VLC has no problem
> talking to the drive under Windows, just under Linux.

If the disc works fine under Windows, then it likely isn't an issue with
the disc or the drive. It may be a simple matter of it being an issue with
copy protection. CSS isn't the only measure being used on modern discs. I've
actually run across issues with DVDs that didn't play in unmodified
consumer-grade external players. (Legally this left me with one option,
use a different player to watch the movie. Fortunately I have more than
one, and they're not identical, so I could do this.)

You need to get one of the discs in the hands of a friend or associate
who can test it on their Linux setup (which is known to otherwise work).
If someone knows of your issue, you may be able to find someone willing
to help at the next BLUG meeting.

Personally, I can not help in this matter. I have a policy of not watching
commercial DVDs on any computer. (I have a media PC, and I watch DVDs made
from broadcast television. These DVDs have no copy protection, as I make
them.) Due to this policy, I safely avoid violating the DMCA. (As it is a
violation to use any library in Linux to access a copy-protected DVD, even
one that I physically possess, presumably own, and have no intentions
outside of accessing the media to view it.)

I apologize if it sounds like I quote the law all the time. I don't like
it either. Until the law gets changed we all have to obey it, though.
Anytime anyone discusses illegal activities and I'm around I like to be
on record as stating it is a bad idea. It is a simple matter of CYA.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_your_ass> Saying nothing could be
considered condoning breaking the law.

I remind you that this is an open channel, and the government has publicly
stated that there is no expectation of privacy in unencrypted email. They
believe they can freely monitor email traffic, and I heard that they were
doing so prior to 9/11. Ignoring that, it is quite possible the list may be
archived unobstrusively somewhere that provides it a connection to a search
engine. As I said, this is an open channel. Anyone may be reading.

Cheers,
Steven Black

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[BLUG] Re: Smart/dumb aliases (Was: screen)

IMHO, always read the man page for the command you use
no matter how trivial the command you use. I have used
'ls' for 25 years and am always surprised that there is
yet another new switch that I have never heard of when
I switched to different systems (from Bell Lab Unix,
Digital Unix/Ultrix, SUNOS, Solaris, IRIX, AIX, to
whatever flavor you can name.) Now it seems to be
simpler on Linux since essentially all vendors use GNU
version. Still, they put the 'smart' aliases into
system-wise startup scripts which might not appeal to
everybody's tastes. Personally I always have to either
'unalias rm' or just '\rm ...' to get by the alias many
vendors put in. One drawback is that if that happens to
be your first experience of Unix/Linux, you think 'rm -r *'
should always ask for your confirmation until you do the
samething on a different system, such as IRIX. ;-)

--Shing-Shong

Weldon Sams wrote:
> Sorry if this sounds choppy, I was having other conversations while
> writing this. Multi-Tasking at its finest. :)
>
> Yep, I hate the colored ls output. I am using the -f option now
> instead of -d. What system are you using where -dH doesn't work? This
> doesn't work on my linux machines. I've only verified it on Mac.
>
> I hope I didn't sound like I was saying 'ls -dH' is the end all of ls
> commands. I just meant, I always used 'ls -d' to avoid colored output,
> and then ran into the ls'ing symbolic links that didn't list the
> contents, but I didn't realize for 3 years the -d caused the problem.
> Basically, I accidentally ran into using -H to solve the problem, but
> didn't realize I could substitute -f for -dH. There are several other
> commands other than -d that require the -H command on Mac if you want
> to list directory contents while using -d ... etc. Between mac, linux
> and unix, they have different options for the same letter.
>
> ls -dH gives me ./ on Gentoo, but lists on Mac. I want to say that I
> didn't use -d on solaris and it still listed directories/symlinks as
> just the directory and not the contents.
>
> Weldon
>
> <mailto:wsams@indiana.edu>
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