Tuesday, May 22, 2007

Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

You get some weird rules when dealing with an apartment complexes. Some
complexes will just tell the local telco or cableco they don't want them
and to get off the property. Others want the telco/cableco to put in
bids against other companies who bring in TV or bandwidth. I was
involved in a project where bandwidth was figured into the rent, but ppl
still ordered cable internet just because they didn't know that other
options existed. As internet becomes more and more of a utility, ppl
seem to expect no options such as for local fone service/cable
service/electrical service. The general public is creating the
monopolies in these markets out of ignorance.

Thank you,
Scott Blaydes


Simón Ruiz wrote:
> They said my address didn't qualify.
>
> I assume that means they haven't fibered up my apartment complex.
>
> Though, honestly, they seemed to get a much better deal because of it.
>
> And, since I can't get cable (the apartment complex controls the cable
> lines), I don't see a free market reason for Verizon to improve their
> service.
>
> It's sort of like that game, with the shoe and the dog--and the
> colorful little cards--that Microsoft is so good at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonanibal/377841807/
>
> On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
>> Simón Ruiz wrote:
>> > FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.
>>
>> Why couldn't you get it? I've heard great things about FiOS and if I
>> move into a Verizon service area I'd hate to have the same trouble you
>> had.
>

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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

I specifically said "I don't want phone service, I just want Internet"
a few times while I was ordering it, and was told that sure they could
do that if I got FIOS but, oh, I didn't qualify for FIOS so I had to
pay for phone service.

On 5/22/07, Matt Standish <mstandish@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dry pair copper... meaning no phone service.

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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

They said my address didn't qualify.

I assume that means they haven't fibered up my apartment complex.

Though, honestly, they seemed to get a much better deal because of it.

And, since I can't get cable (the apartment complex controls the cable
lines), I don't see a free market reason for Verizon to improve their
service.

It's sort of like that game, with the shoe and the dog--and the
colorful little cards--that Microsoft is so good at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonanibal/377841807/

On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.
>
> Why couldn't you get it? I've heard great things about FiOS and if I
> move into a Verizon service area I'd hate to have the same trouble you
> had.

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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

Dry pair copper... meaning no phone service.

On 5/22/07, Simón Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:
Dry?

On 5/22/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu > wrote:
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> Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> > money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> > though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
>
> FYI, you can get dry DSL from Verizon.  At least I could in Mitchell.  I
> don't think they advertise it very well and they didn't bring up the
> idea to me, but when asked about it the girl on the phone finally gave
> in and said they could do it.

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RE: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

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Simón Ruiz wrote:
> Dry?

DSL on a dry pair, basically you just get DSL without having to
subscribe to phone service as well.


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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

Dry?

On 5/22/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu> wrote:
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> Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> > money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> > though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
>
> FYI, you can get dry DSL from Verizon. At least I could in Mitchell. I
> don't think they advertise it very well and they didn't bring up the
> idea to me, but when asked about it the girl on the phone finally gave
> in and said they could do it.

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Simón Ruiz wrote:
> On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that

FYI, you can get dry DSL from Verizon. At least I could in Mitchell. I
don't think they advertise it very well and they didn't bring up the
idea to me, but when asked about it the girl on the phone finally gave
in and said they could do it.

- --
Jeremy L. Gaddis
Network Administrator
812.330.6156 (w) 812.391.0358 (m)


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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

Simón Ruiz wrote:
> FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.

Why couldn't you get it? I've heard great things about FiOS and if I
move into a Verizon service area I'd hate to have the same trouble you
had.
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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

Does anybody else smell sarcasm? The odor is really strong from where
I'm sitting. I think I'm going to need to call the utility company to
get checked out for a leak.

On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 05:31:36PM GMT, Simón Ruiz [simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com] said the following:
> FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.
>
> On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
> took them a week from the time that they first called to tell me it
> was activated and I was getting billed (thanks, I needed to relearn
> how to use a phone book to get around town). I was worried what I
> would do with the extra income I'm getting from my new job, but
> Verizon was kind enough to step up to the plate and help a customer
> out with that.
>
> But, wait, there's more. You might think that's an awesome deal as it
> is, but the DSL connection comes equipped with a built-in enforced
> breaks feature which forces me to get up from time to time and read a
> book, which is a neat feature though I think I'm going to request they
> add the option to choose what time the DSL goes out so it's not right
> when I really need it
>
> Even better, the package bundle comes with a router that needs to be
> power cycled from time to time to regain the DSL connection and/or the
> wireless connection. I don't know about you, but I love my job so much
> that I want to keep troubleshooting network issues when I get home!
>
> From this perspective, Verizon gets a big thumbs up from me.
>
> :-/
>
> Simón
>
> P.S. Wow, I could have just said "don't get me started on Verizon" and
> saved a lot of your time...
>
> On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> >Nope. I have some friends and family with Verizon FiOS and I think
> >their current max speed is 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up.
>
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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.

On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
took them a week from the time that they first called to tell me it
was activated and I was getting billed (thanks, I needed to relearn
how to use a phone book to get around town). I was worried what I
would do with the extra income I'm getting from my new job, but
Verizon was kind enough to step up to the plate and help a customer
out with that.

But, wait, there's more. You might think that's an awesome deal as it
is, but the DSL connection comes equipped with a built-in enforced
breaks feature which forces me to get up from time to time and read a
book, which is a neat feature though I think I'm going to request they
add the option to choose what time the DSL goes out so it's not right
when I really need it

Even better, the package bundle comes with a router that needs to be
power cycled from time to time to regain the DSL connection and/or the
wireless connection. I don't know about you, but I love my job so much
that I want to keep troubleshooting network issues when I get home!

From this perspective, Verizon gets a big thumbs up from me.

:-/

Simón

P.S. Wow, I could have just said "don't get me started on Verizon" and
saved a lot of your time...

On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> Nope. I have some friends and family with Verizon FiOS and I think
> their current max speed is 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up.

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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

On 5/22/07, Ben Shewmaker <benshewmaker@yahoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't test those speeds since my in-laws connect to the internet via ISDN.  And as they only use it to email, they really don't need a faster connection I suppose.  And I agree that advertised speeds are only that.  Insight advertises 10M, but I never get up past 6.  And the fact that I am in Saitama, which is next to Tokyo, makes a big difference in rolling out bigger pipes to the home (especially when you see how close together all their infrastructure is).  But I still find it amazing that the advertised speed for a dsl connection is 5 times faster than the advertised speed in Bloomington.  When I see that other countries are getting much, much faster connections than I am, I can't help but wonder why all of my choices don't even come close.  I mean, how many places in the U.S offer fiber connections at 100M?  I think Verizon is rolling out a little bit of fiber in some places, but I don't think it's that fast.  I suppose it really just boils down to wanting what my neighbors have.



Disclaimer: I just left work as an admin at an ISP...

There are two problems with people comparing US "broadband" with other countries.  First is that the cost of the ISP's uplink is extremely expensive.  A DS3 will get you about 45Mbits/s up and down if all the channels are used for data.  If you want 10Mbits/s concurrent  then the cost of the uplink needs to drop, which isn't going to happen. That is where over subscribing comes in.

Second is the size and terrian of the US. You can't compare France to the US, the physical size just isn't the same and people live much closer together so costs are recouped much faster. People south of Bedford are lesslikely to get fiber because of the roll out cost.  It may be feasible to get 384/128 DSL but to expect 10Mbps/s is unreasonable at this point in time.


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Re: [BLUG] insight broadband vs. flets

Ben Shewmaker wrote:
> I mean, how many places in the U.S offer fiber connections at 100M? I
> think Verizon is rolling out a little bit of fiber in some places, but
> I don't think it's that fast.

Nope. I have some friends and family with Verizon FiOS and I think
their current max speed is 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up.
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Unfortunately, I can't test those speeds since my in-laws connect to the internet via ISDN.  And as they only use it to email, they really don't need a faster connection I suppose.  And I agree that advertised speeds are only that.  Insight advertises 10M, but I never get up past 6.  And the fact that I am in Saitama, which is next to Tokyo, makes a big difference in rolling out bigger pipes to the home (especially when you see how close together all their infrastructure is).  But I still find it amazing that the advertised speed for a dsl connection is 5 times faster than the advertised speed in Bloomington.  When I see that other countries are getting much, much faster connections than I am, I can't help but wonder why all of my choices don't even come close.  I mean, how many places in the U.S offer fiber connections at 100M?  I think Verizon is rolling out a little bit of fiber in some places, but I don't think it's that fast.  I suppose it really just boils down to wanting what my neighbors have.

And even if I couldn't get 100M, or even 50M, faster upload speed would really, really be nice.  I do some dabbling in digital audio and I like to do offsite backup to my shared hosting account, and sending uncompressed wavs upstream really takes a long while. 

ben


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