FireGPG sez: "The first signature of this mail is not valid!"
On 5/31/07, Steven Black <blacks@indiana.edu> wrote:
> It says "Good signature" which means it is valid and good.
>
> It is untrusted because no one you trust has signed the signature to
> validate its authenticity.
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It is untrusted because no one you trust has signed the signature to
validate its authenticity.
There's a circle of trust thing going on. A key, in isolation, can not
be trusted.
Any public key passed over the Internet in an unsigned manner should not
be trusted. Keys should only arrive either (1) in person, as in a key
signing party, or (2) signed by someone you have personally exchanged
keys with at a key signing party.
Cheers,
Steven Black
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 12:13 -0400, Simón Ruiz wrote:
> On 5/31/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> > I wonder if the inline signature has anything to do with it.
> >
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
> >
> > iD8DBQFGXuuxyJBzD6P54w4RAj0yAJ9EkcrtZ46XzM/5ogCsGCNHV48zLgCfX7jP
> > U+fMjvr5mmLZExRkOh8H950=
> > =WBUf
> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
> Fire GPG doesn't even see your signature, but Enigmail in TB says:
>
>
>
> OpenPGP Security Info
>
> UNTRUSTED Good signature from Michael C. Schultheiss <schultmc@debian.org>
> Key ID: 0xA3F9E30E / Signed on: 05/31/2007 11:37 AM
> Key fingerprint: 2732 356E A676 373D 7216 B964 C890 730F A3F9 E30E
>
>
>
> Same with Jeremy's response (Though, of course, with his name and e-mail)
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Fire GPG doesn't even see your signature, but Enigmail in TB says:
OpenPGP Security Info
UNTRUSTED Good signature from Michael C. Schultheiss <schultmc@debian.org>
Key ID: 0xA3F9E30E / Signed on: 05/31/2007 11:37 AM
Key fingerprint: 2732 356E A676 373D 7216 B964 C890 730F A3F9 E30E
Same with Jeremy's response (Though, of course, with his name and e-mail)
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> me... so let me ask this... Does anyone know of a way to make
> Thunderbird send deleted messages to a folder besides the local Trash
> folder? The main reason I don't use TB "full-time" is because of this
Guess I should've Googled *before* asking. =)
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Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote:
> Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> > I wonder if the inline signature has anything to do with it.
>
> No idea... I can't verify it in Outlook ("no valid openpgp data found")
> but it shows a good signature using Thunderbird. This message is being
> sent using TB as well, so I'll see if that makes a difference.
Well, that seems to have worked (can verify in Outlook), at least for
me... so let me ask this... Does anyone know of a way to make
Thunderbird send deleted messages to a folder besides the local Trash
folder? The main reason I don't use TB "full-time" is because of this
and the way it screws up synchronization with my Blackberry. If I
delete a message and it goes into the Deleted Items folder on the
Exchange Server, it'll be deleted appropriately on my handheld. If I
delete it using Thunderbird, it doesn't seem to notice that it's been
deleted.
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It seems to - I was able to verify the signature on this message, but
not the previous messages.
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Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> I wonder if the inline signature has anything to do with it.
No idea... I can't verify it in Outlook ("no valid openpgp data found")
but it shows a good signature using Thunderbird. This message is being
sent using TB as well, so I'll see if that makes a difference.
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I wonder if the inline signature has anything to do with it.
Simón Ruiz wrote:
> Well, but the footer got added AFTER the GPG signature, so it
> shouldn't be taken into account for it, should it?
True... not sure what's up. Thought it might be something funky with my
Outlook + GnuPG settings, but if I send an off-list e-mail to another
e-mail account and open the message using Thunderbird over IMAPS, it
shows a good signature...
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On 5/31/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> The signature probably failed since the message was edited by mailman to
> add the footer, thus changing the message body from what Jermey signed.
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The signature probably failed since the message was edited by mailman to
add the footer, thus changing the message body from what Jermey signed.
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I stole something...
Yeah, I guess we all did...
No, I stole something else...call it a going away present...
;-)
P.S. What the !@#$ is PC LOAD LETTER?!
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Simón Ruiz wrote:
> Ah, you unmask my naivete...I uploaded my key to the ubuntu keyserver,
> but I probably didn't set myself up to use it.......is that something
> one does on the command-line?
You can set your default key in your gpg.conf. Going from memory, but I
think it's just:
default-key XXXXXXXX
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We'll be keeping it until it finally dies, at which time we'll recreate
the infamous Office Space act.
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On 5/31/07, Matt Standish <mstandish@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you using a keyserver?
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Anyways, just my two cents.
Thank you,
Scott Blaydes
Matt Standish wrote:
> Are you using a keyserver? Maybe we should set up a Bloomington one.
> It only takes a few minutes, let me see what equipment I have in my
> basement :)
>
>
>
> On 5/31/07, * Simón Ruiz* <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com
> <mailto:simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> So, I recently set up a GPG key so I could sign the Ubuntu Code of
> Conduct, and installed FireGPG so I could use it on G-Mail, but
> everytime I get an e-mail from you on list it makes sure to let me
> know your key is not valid.
>
> I UNMASK YOU, YOU NOT JEREMY L. GADDIS PERSON!
>
> On 5/30/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu
> <mailto:jlgaddis@ivytech.edu>> wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > > Ack! I should be getting my presentation application in...
> >
> > Yeah... I was trying to think of a good topic myself.
> >
> >
> > - --
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> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)
> >
> > iD8DBQFGXiy7zhrjA9m/OxgRAkPvAJ0Rbf7y3SoYXJvl1zuhBUyFDqcCiQCeM0Q1
> > wrbN2zG1Lz9qdLUEFn1mreU=
> > =JJLL
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So, I recently set up a GPG key so I could sign the Ubuntu Code of
Conduct, and installed FireGPG so I could use it on G-Mail, but
everytime I get an e-mail from you on list it makes sure to let me
know your key is not valid.
I UNMASK YOU, YOU NOT JEREMY L. GADDIS PERSON!
On 5/30/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > Ack! I should be getting my presentation application in...
>
> Yeah... I was trying to think of a good topic myself.
>
>
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)
>
> iD8DBQFGXiy7zhrjA9m/OxgRAkPvAJ0Rbf7y3SoYXJvl1zuhBUyFDqcCiQCeM0Q1
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I UNMASK YOU, YOU NOT JEREMY L. GADDIS PERSON!
On 5/30/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > Ack! I should be getting my presentation application in...
>
> Yeah... I was trying to think of a good topic myself.
>
>
> - --
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)
>
> iD8DBQFGXiy7zhrjA9m/OxgRAkPvAJ0Rbf7y3SoYXJvl1zuhBUyFDqcCiQCeM0Q1
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What would be REALLY impressive would be programming it to scan
sheet-music on one pass and then play it on a second pass.
Or modern art: have the scanner actually scanning a page of Fur Elise
sheet music while it plays Fur Elise, and display the output (it's
moving back and forth so the distortions might be neat.)
Is it ironic that I think they had too much time on their hands, and
then immediately think up ways they could continue to spend time on
this?
On 5/31/07, Chris Colvard <cjcolvar@indiana.edu> wrote:
> HP LaserJet 4's might not croak, but HP ScanJet's play Beethoven:
> http://www.hackaday.com/2006/01/08/scanner-music/
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ftYO5J3ZZQ
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HP LaserJet 4's might not croak, but HP ScanJet's play Beethoven:
http://www.hackaday.com/2006/01/08/scanner-music/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ftYO5J3ZZQ
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I don't really understand this sentence. HP LaserJet 4's never croak.
Are you saying something like "I'm waiting 'til hell freezes over"?
David
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If you really want to get rid of it, I am in need of an old, half-worky
laser printer for making circuit boards. I can substitute a different
half-working laser printer if necessary.
/\-/\
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Scott Blaydes wrote:
>> Yeah... I was trying to think of a good topic myself.
>
> Heterogeneous network management via hammer?
Sure, you're donating the equipment for the demo, right? =)
There's an HP LaserJet 4 at work and I'm waiting on it to croak:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlgaddis/519194420/in/set-72157600279750803
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> Ack! I should be getting my presentation application in...
Yeah... I was trying to think of a good topic myself.
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On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:57:51PM GMT, Joe Auty [joe@netmusician.org] said the following:
> Thanks Dave,
>
> I kind of suspected that it was nothing to be terribly worried about
> since I'm not experiencing any noticeable SSL problems and am running a
> recent OpenSSL set of libraries, but its persistence over a long period
> of time finally motivated the question :)
>
>
>
>
> Dave Monnier REN-ISAC wrote:
> > Joe Auty wrote:
> >
> > > [Wed May 30 11:32:09 2007] [info] (70014)End of file found: SSL
> > > handshake interrupted by system [Hint: Stop button pressed in browser?!]
> >
> > This is the message that caused the rest. As the error text implies,
> > it can
> > be caused by someone stopping the SSL exchange before it was completed. If
> > you're seeing it multiple times in your logs it could mean any number of
> > things. A worm/exploit in the wild may not handle SSL well, a
> > worm/exploit
> > in the wild may be trying to exploit mod_ssl, someones client doesn't play
> > nice with your SSL implementation, etc, etc. Possible reasons go on
> > and on.
> >
> > The message alone doesn't indicate a problem on your side. I wouldn't
> > worry
> > about it unless you see other services also generating error.
> >
> > -Dave
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I consider it more than "kind of" Linux-related. It does run Linux after
all.
Were it not for that fact that I need to get rid of a number of machines
myself, I'd take you up on the offer. I need a basement "room of
computers" before I do too much more collecting.
With regards to getting free, legal access to Solaris. It is actually a
relatively painless thing to get at this point. You need to register
with their site, as you need to do for any of their downloads. (It will
be a DVD iso image, so plan accordingly.)
Of course, if you just want to play around with Solaris to compare it to
Linux, you can do that with OpenSolaris on x86 hardware. (They will even
send you an "OpenSolaris Starter Kit" for free at your request. It is
x86-only. It comes on two DVDs.)
Solaris is really something completely different when compared to Linux.
It is sort of like looking at an organism that developed in near total
isolation, while having a common ancestor to something you are familiar
with. (Though, I'm sure some of the OpenSolaris distributions wouldn't
be like that at all.)
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I kind of suspected that it was nothing to be terribly worried about
since I'm not experiencing any noticeable SSL problems and am running a
recent OpenSSL set of libraries, but its persistence over a long period
of time finally motivated the question :)
Dave Monnier REN-ISAC wrote:
> Joe Auty wrote:
>
> > [Wed May 30 11:32:09 2007] [info] (70014)End of file found: SSL
> > handshake interrupted by system [Hint: Stop button pressed in browser?!]
>
> This is the message that caused the rest. As the error text implies,
> it can
> be caused by someone stopping the SSL exchange before it was completed. If
> you're seeing it multiple times in your logs it could mean any number of
> things. A worm/exploit in the wild may not handle SSL well, a
> worm/exploit
> in the wild may be trying to exploit mod_ssl, someones client doesn't play
> nice with your SSL implementation, etc, etc. Possible reasons go on
> and on.
>
> The message alone doesn't indicate a problem on your side. I wouldn't
> worry
> about it unless you see other services also generating error.
>
> -Dave
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> [Wed May 30 11:32:09 2007] [info] (70014)End of file found: SSL
> handshake interrupted by system [Hint: Stop button pressed in browser?!]
This is the message that caused the rest. As the error text implies, it can
be caused by someone stopping the SSL exchange before it was completed. If
you're seeing it multiple times in your logs it could mean any number of
things. A worm/exploit in the wild may not handle SSL well, a worm/exploit
in the wild may be trying to exploit mod_ssl, someones client doesn't play
nice with your SSL implementation, etc, etc. Possible reasons go on and on.
The message alone doesn't indicate a problem on your side. I wouldn't worry
about it unless you see other services also generating error.
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[Wed May 30 11:32:09 2007] [info] (70014)End of file found: SSL
handshake interrupted by system [Hint: Stop button pressed in browser?!]
[Wed May 30 11:32:09 2007] [info] Connection to child 9 closed with
abortive shutdown(server netmusician.org:443, client ::1)
[Wed May 30 11:33:20 2007] [info] Connection to child 12 established
(server netmusician.org:443, client ::1)
[Wed May 30 11:33:20 2007] [info] Seeding PRNG with 136 bytes of entropy
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Scott Blaydes wrote:
> BTW: the reason I am selling it is due to getting married in 2 weeks
> and just getting my HAM license. Easiest way to get some HAM gear is
> to sell a computer or two.
Cool, congratulations on both accounts... my ticket has been gathering
dust for years.
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I am selling:
Sun Blade 100 w/
500-MHz UltraSPARC[tm]-IIe, 64-bit
128mb of RAM
10gb HD
48X CD-ROM
Sun PCi IIpro x86 Coprocessor card.
I bought this machine at an auction when I was in Texas, as I wanted to
run Linux/BSD on some non-X86/AMD64 hardware. The Sun PCi IIpro card is
a X86 card that you can use to run X86 software on the machine (Windows
or Linux from what I am told). The drive will be wiped clean, but you
can download Solaris from Sun's website (hobbiest license i believe) or
you can run a variety of Linux/BSD distros. This machine isn't the most
powerful workstation, but has been alot of fun to play with and get some
experience on non-x86/AMD64 hardware.
The condition of the machine is good, but there are marks with a grease
pencil from the auction and some minor scratches...i mean it is used, so
it is in used condition. You get the desktop, the monitor, and the
keyboard and mouse (as long as I can find them) for $70.00. This is
what I paid for it, minus the shipping of bringing it to Indiana via
Uhaul. The keyboard and mouse are USB. If you need, I have a PS/2 to
USB converter (so you can use PS/2 kb and mouse with it of a PS/2 KVM)
for an extra $5.
BTW: the reason I am selling it is due to getting married in 2 weeks and
just getting my HAM license. Easiest way to get some HAM gear is to
sell a computer or two.
If you have any questions, contact me off list.
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I'll keep the survey up so that if you haven't had a chance yet,
you can let your opinion be counted:
http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/surveys/blug_gaming_sessions.php
Thanks,
Mark
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 01:16:06PM GMT, Mark Krenz [mark@slugbug.org] said the following:
>
> Even if you are not interested in playing games or participating in the
> weekly gaming sessions, I'd appretiate if you could take this quick
> survey so that I can know generally how much interest there is:
>
>
http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/surveys/blug_gaming_sessions.php
>
> Please answer questions honestly. Remember, I'm putting this survey
> out so that I can find out what to do for the weekly sessions, so answer
> according to what would most likely allow you to participate. Not all
> questions are required so you can take the survey even if you can't
> answer most of the questions.
>
> Thank you.
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Thank you,
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David Ernst wrote:
> ouch... X-(
>
> David
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 01:50:02PM -0400, Simón Ruiz wrote:
>> Sounds like they were using a proprietary driver...
>>
>> On 5/29/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Haha, no. Moreno was one of the first out, unfortunately.
>>>
>>>
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On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 01:50:02PM -0400, Simón Ruiz wrote:
>Sounds like they were using a proprietary driver...
>
>On 5/29/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Haha, no. Moreno was one of the first out, unfortunately.
>>
>>
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On 5/29/07, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jlgaddis@ivytech.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> Haha, no. Moreno was one of the first out, unfortunately.
>
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Haha, no. Moreno was one of the first out, unfortunately.
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Sent: Tue May 29 08:47:28 2007
Subject: Re: [BLUG] Tux500 car crashes
The only question I have is did the Windows car crash before the Linux car?
-Chris
Gillis, Chad wrote:
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>> Roberto Moreno made contact with the wall and crashed. Appearently he
>> is uninjured, but they took him to the hospital because he was
>> complaining of back pain. Hopefully he's alright.
>>
>
> That sucks. Keep us posted if you get any more news.
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Gillis, Chad wrote:
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>> Roberto Moreno made contact with the wall and crashed. Appearently he
>> is uninjured, but they took him to the hospital because he was
>> complaining of back pain. Hopefully he's alright.
>>
>
> That sucks. Keep us posted if you get any more news.
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Yeah, anyone watching on tv probably knows more than me. Under rain delay right now, but expect that race will start again in a bit.
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Subject: Re: [BLUG] Tux500 car crashes
> Roberto Moreno made contact with the wall and crashed. Appearently he
> is uninjured, but they took him to the hospital because he was
> complaining of back pain. Hopefully he's alright.
>
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Yeah, unfortunately I just watched him crash not far from me. Thanks Mark.
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Sent: Sun May 27 14:00:42 2007
Subject: Re: [BLUG] Tux car?
It did. It qualified mid last week at a speed of 220mph. Roberto
Moreno is driving because Stephan Gregoire had an accident and injured
himself. The tux500.com project raised over $18000 before they had to
close donations.
It was weird, I found out last week that I actually know the son of
the guy who owns Chaistain Motorsports. I went to Carb day on Friday
and got to see the car up close and have a picture taken with Roberto
Moreno. Nice group of people.
http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/wiki/Image:Robertomoreno.jpg
;-)
According to the website, they are going to put more Linux logos on the
car. Its car number 77. Of course, the race is blacked out in the local
area so you'll have to wait until 8pm to see it.
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 05:45:40PM GMT, Gaddis, Jeremy L. [jlgaddis@ivytech.edu] said the following:
> Anyone know if the car with the Tux logo made it into the 500 and, if
> so, which car it is?
>
> Thanks,
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It was weird, I found out last week that I actually know the son of
the guy who owns Chaistain Motorsports. I went to Carb day on Friday
and got to see the car up close and have a picture taken with Roberto
Moreno. Nice group of people.
http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/wiki/Image:Robertomoreno.jpg
;-)
According to the website, they are going to put more Linux logos on the
car. Its car number 77. Of course, the race is blacked out in the local
area so you'll have to wait until 8pm to see it.
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 05:45:40PM GMT, Gaddis, Jeremy L. [jlgaddis@ivytech.edu] said the following:
> Anyone know if the car with the Tux logo made it into the 500 and, if
> so, which car it is?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Anyone know if the car with the Tux logo made it into the 500 and, if so, which car it is?
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Please answer questions honestly. Remember, I'm putting this survey
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according to what would most likely allow you to participate. Not all
questions are required so you can take the survey even if you can't
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Interesting tangent (to me): I was speaking with my dad last
night/this morning and he said the Venezuelan government finally
de-privatized CANTV, the Venezuelan telco. They've been speaking about
this for a while, and it looks like they finally went through with it.
During the last administration in the 90s CANTV, which was
historically always a State company, was taken public which ironically
enough meant that the public company had its shares sold to private
entities, mostly U.S. telecom firms.
I was curious about the economics of such a decision so I asked "So,
what did they do? Just take the company back and tell the gringos to
go home or did they buy back all the shares that were sold during the
last administration?", and he said "Yeah, the government bought back
all the shares, mostly from, oh, what's that company's name...oh,
yeah, Verizon."
On 5/22/07, Scott Blaydes <sblaydes@sbce.org> wrote:
> You get some weird rules when dealing with an apartment complexes. Some
> complexes will just tell the local telco or cableco they don't want them
> and to get off the property. Others want the telco/cableco to put in
> bids against other companies who bring in TV or bandwidth. I was
> involved in a project where bandwidth was figured into the rent, but ppl
> still ordered cable internet just because they didn't know that other
> options existed. As internet becomes more and more of a utility, ppl
> seem to expect no options such as for local fone service/cable
> service/electrical service. The general public is creating the
> monopolies in these markets out of ignorance.
>
> Thank you,
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Simón Ruiz wrote:
> They said my address didn't qualify.
>
> I assume that means they haven't fibered up my apartment complex.
>
> Though, honestly, they seemed to get a much better deal because of it.
>
> And, since I can't get cable (the apartment complex controls the cable
> lines), I don't see a free market reason for Verizon to improve their
> service.
>
> It's sort of like that game, with the shoe and the dog--and the
> colorful little cards--that Microsoft is so good at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonanibal/377841807/
>
> On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
>> Simón Ruiz wrote:
>> > FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.
>>
>> Why couldn't you get it? I've heard great things about FiOS and if I
>> move into a Verizon service area I'd hate to have the same trouble you
>> had.
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> Dry pair copper... meaning no phone service.
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I assume that means they haven't fibered up my apartment complex.
Though, honestly, they seemed to get a much better deal because of it.
And, since I can't get cable (the apartment complex controls the cable
lines), I don't see a free market reason for Verizon to improve their
service.
It's sort of like that game, with the shoe and the dog--and the
colorful little cards--that Microsoft is so good at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonanibal/377841807/
On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.
>
> Why couldn't you get it? I've heard great things about FiOS and if I
> move into a Verizon service area I'd hate to have the same trouble you
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Dry?
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> > On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> > money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> > though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
>
> FYI, you can get dry DSL from Verizon. At least I could in Mitchell. I
> don't think they advertise it very well and they didn't bring up the
> idea to me, but when asked about it the girl on the phone finally gave
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Simón Ruiz wrote:
> Dry?
DSL on a dry pair, basically you just get DSL without having to
subscribe to phone service as well.
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> Simón Ruiz wrote:
> > On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> > money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> > though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
>
> FYI, you can get dry DSL from Verizon. At least I could in Mitchell. I
> don't think they advertise it very well and they didn't bring up the
> idea to me, but when asked about it the girl on the phone finally gave
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Simón Ruiz wrote:
> On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
FYI, you can get dry DSL from Verizon. At least I could in Mitchell. I
don't think they advertise it very well and they didn't bring up the
idea to me, but when asked about it the girl on the phone finally gave
in and said they could do it.
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Why couldn't you get it? I've heard great things about FiOS and if I
move into a Verizon service area I'd hate to have the same trouble you
had.
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On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 05:31:36PM GMT, Simón Ruiz [simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com] said the following:
> FIOS in Fort Wayne is 15M/2M, but I couldn't get it.
>
> On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
> money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
> though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
> took them a week from the time that they first called to tell me it
> was activated and I was getting billed (thanks, I needed to relearn
> how to use a phone book to get around town). I was worried what I
> would do with the extra income I'm getting from my new job, but
> Verizon was kind enough to step up to the plate and help a customer
> out with that.
>
> But, wait, there's more. You might think that's an awesome deal as it
> is, but the DSL connection comes equipped with a built-in enforced
> breaks feature which forces me to get up from time to time and read a
> book, which is a neat feature though I think I'm going to request they
> add the option to choose what time the DSL goes out so it's not right
> when I really need it
>
> Even better, the package bundle comes with a router that needs to be
> power cycled from time to time to regain the DSL connection and/or the
> wireless connection. I don't know about you, but I love my job so much
> that I want to keep troubleshooting network issues when I get home!
>
> From this perspective, Verizon gets a big thumbs up from me.
>
> :-/
>
> Simón
>
> P.S. Wow, I could have just said "don't get me started on Verizon" and
> saved a lot of your time...
>
> On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> >Nope. I have some friends and family with Verizon FiOS and I think
> >their current max speed is 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up.
>
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On the plus side, as a consolation prize I get to pay Verizon MORE
money for 1.5M/400K DSL (because I have to pay for a phone line,
though thankfully I don't actually have to plug a phone into it) that
took them a week from the time that they first called to tell me it
was activated and I was getting billed (thanks, I needed to relearn
how to use a phone book to get around town). I was worried what I
would do with the extra income I'm getting from my new job, but
Verizon was kind enough to step up to the plate and help a customer
out with that.
But, wait, there's more. You might think that's an awesome deal as it
is, but the DSL connection comes equipped with a built-in enforced
breaks feature which forces me to get up from time to time and read a
book, which is a neat feature though I think I'm going to request they
add the option to choose what time the DSL goes out so it's not right
when I really need it
Even better, the package bundle comes with a router that needs to be
power cycled from time to time to regain the DSL connection and/or the
wireless connection. I don't know about you, but I love my job so much
that I want to keep troubleshooting network issues when I get home!
From this perspective, Verizon gets a big thumbs up from me.
:-/
Simón
P.S. Wow, I could have just said "don't get me started on Verizon" and
saved a lot of your time...
On 5/22/07, Michael Schultheiss <schultmc@cinlug.org> wrote:
> Nope. I have some friends and family with Verizon FiOS and I think
> their current max speed is 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up.
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Unfortunately, I can't test those speeds since my in-laws connect to the internet via ISDN. And as they only use it to email, they really don't need a faster connection I suppose. And I agree that advertised speeds are only that. Insight advertises 10M, but I never get up past 6. And the fact that I am in Saitama, which is next to Tokyo, makes a big difference in rolling out bigger pipes to the home (especially when you see how close together all their infrastructure is). But I still find it amazing that the advertised speed for a dsl connection is 5 times faster than the advertised speed in Bloomington. When I see that other countries are getting much, much faster connections than I am, I can't help but wonder why all of my choices don't even come close. I mean, how many places in the U.S offer fiber connections at 100M? I think Verizon is rolling out a little bit of fiber in some places, but I don't think it's that fast. I suppose it really just boils down to wanting what my neighbors have.
Nope. I have some friends and family with Verizon FiOS and I think
their current max speed is 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up.
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As for Scott's old man grumbling, I've been musing recently
(including here:
http://davidernst.net/blog/2006/05/21/net-neutrality-is-a-deep-issue/
) That once we reach an actual usable home bandwidth that equals the
bitrate of a DVD being played -- 11.08 Mbit/s, according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video -- then I cannot currently
imagine what will drive masses of consumers to demand more bandwidth
at that point. Sure, people on this list would love to be able to
download ISOs faster, but there aren't enough of us to make that much
of a difference, and besides, I personally wouldn't pay any extra to
be able to download a full CD-ROM in 3 minutes (as per above) vs. 15
minutes (as would be at DVD rate). And, the vast majority of users
will be so thrilled that they can talk on Skype in DVD quality that
they'll just take whatever's cheapest and not pay more for more
bandwidth.
Of course, we've got a long way to go in the US before we reach that
point, but I predict a plateau. Maybe software bloat will surprise
me, and maybe some virtual reality thing will actually catch on, I'm
not saying "no one will ever need more than that", but I do predict
lots of bandwidth demand until we can all do DVD quality streaming,
and then a plateau. For whatever my predictions are worth. :)
David
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 02:22:30AM +0000, Mark Krenz wrote:
>
> I'm curious, are you actually getting the advertised speeds? What
>would be a good way to test? I would only consider it to be what they
>are advertising if you could download from a single site at a rate of
>about 5 to 6 megabytes per second (for the 50Mbit connection).
>
> Probably downloading an iso from one of the large mirrors would do the
>trick.
>
>On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:53:11PM GMT, Ben Shewmaker [benshewmaker@yahoo.com] said the following:
>> Visiting my in laws in Japan, I can't help but gawk at how much faster broadband you can get over here. My in laws (unfortunately) are on ISDN, but the isp they are with (Flets), offers 50M aDSL connections for US $42/month, or I can even get a 100M fiber connection for US $57/month. Makes Insight broadband's advertised 10M cable connections look like a joke.
>>
>> ben
>>
>>
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Lets think of the other side of it, how fast can that zombied windows
box now send out spam? How fast can it scan for other unpatched system?
Does anyone really need to be able to "first post" on Slashdot that
quickly? Can Digg users bring up the same dupes even faster? Do you
really want to answer that video phone call while sitting in your
underwear at home in front of the computer? Put some pants on and brush
off the Cheeto dust.
Innovation is a great thing, but I hold some fondness for the internet
before it was easier to get on. You know, before it became a Mall.
Thank you,
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Matt Standish wrote:
> 100M fiber to what? The local ISP's lan where they have a DS3 (or
> whatever Japan has) connected to a peering point? You can have a 1000M
> network in your local lan but that doesn't mean you got 1000M link to
> the backbone.
>
> It reminds me of buying car speakers. A true 250W amp in your car might
> leave you def.. Your not getting what you pay for.
>
>
>
> On 5/21/07, *Ben Shewmaker * <benshewmaker@yahoo.com
> <mailto:benshewmaker@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Visiting my in laws in Japan, I can't help but gawk at how much
> faster broadband you can get over here. My in laws (unfortunately)
> are on ISDN, but the isp they are with (Flets), offers 50M aDSL
> connections for US $42/month, or I can even get a 100M fiber
> connection for US $57/month. Makes Insight broadband's advertised
> 10M cable connections look like a joke.
>
> ben
>
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Visiting my in laws in Japan, I can't help but gawk at how much faster broadband you can get over here. My in laws (unfortunately) are on ISDN, but the isp they are with (Flets), offers 50M aDSL connections for US $42/month, or I can even get a 100M fiber connection for US $57/month. Makes Insight broadband's advertised 10M cable connections look like a joke.
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Depends on whether i get a projector or not. I planning on looking at 2
commercial routing solutions, ImageStream routers and Mikrotik software
and hardware.
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Scott Blaydes wrote:
> I need a projector for the presentation, so if you happen to have
> access to one and can attend the meeting, please bring it.
Wiki hasn't been updated and I may have missed an earlier posting, but
what's the meeting about this time?
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Probably downloading an iso from one of the large mirrors would do the
trick.
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:53:11PM GMT, Ben Shewmaker [benshewmaker@yahoo.com] said the following:
> Visiting my in laws in Japan, I can't help but gawk at how much faster broadband you can get over here. My in laws (unfortunately) are on ISDN, but the isp they are with (Flets), offers 50M aDSL connections for US $42/month, or I can even get a 100M fiber connection for US $57/month. Makes Insight broadband's advertised 10M cable connections look like a joke.
>
> ben
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Visiting my in laws in Japan, I can't help but gawk at how much faster broadband you can get over here. My in laws (unfortunately) are on ISDN, but the isp they are with (Flets), offers 50M aDSL connections for US $42/month, or I can even get a 100M fiber connection for US $57/month. Makes Insight broadband's advertised 10M cable connections look like a joke.
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This coming weekend, for instance, I'll be in Bloomington packing more
stuff to bring to my new apartment. Add to that the fact that I have
very little social life up here as of yet so I'll likely be calling up
friends to do some socializing if I get a free moment while I'm down
there, and chances I'll have the time to sit and rock the BZFlag on
Saturday at 9 fall slightly.
On 5/21/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
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> Ok, if all of you are going to play then I'll put it on the schedule.
> I'll knock off one of the ut2004 sessions. There need to be more weeks
> in a month. ;-)
>
> I'll be sending out a survey this week to try to collect everyone's
> opinions about what games to play, when to play them and how you
> generally feel about these gaming sessions.
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I'll be sending out a survey this week to try to collect everyone's
opinions about what games to play, when to play them and how you
generally feel about these gaming sessions.
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 03:53:34PM GMT, Josh Goodman [jogoodman@gmail.com] said the following:
> I third the motion.
>
> Josh
>
> On 5/21/07, Matt Standish <mstandish@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >I second the motion
> >
> >
> >On 5/20/07, "Simón A. Ruiz" <simon.a.ruiz@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Open Arena: Good, Free, Easy to Install, and runs on older systems.
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Speaking for my fiancée and myself, I'd say that we're both interested
in playing, and will seek out the diamond edition on eBay since we
were not able to locate it at a local Target.
Regarding TYPE of character, that would depend on what mood I'm in
when I sit down at the character generator...
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The game starts at 9pm tonight, but try to start about 8:45 because
you'll need to create a character and stuff.
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I suddenly understood what it looked like, from the outside, to be so
absorbed in a video game that you forget to eat and sleep.
It would have been more amusing if we'd had two computers, though.
I'll have to find a Target nearby and see...
Oh, and you guys might appreciate this: I found a copy of Darwinia at
Big Lots for $3!
On 5/17/07, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
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> Sorry. NWN is a pretty fun game. Last week Chris Walker and I
> played through a module that took about 3 hours and both of us had a lot
> fun with it. We played a custom created module, not the default module
> that comes with the game. I think we'll try playing the default module
> this weekend. But that's Longggggg. We might have enough time to get
> through half of the first chapter.
>
> You can find NWN still on store shelves almost anywhere. Nowadays
> they have the diamond edition on shelves which has the original game,
> plus the two additional expansion packs and the Kingmaker module. All
> for about $20 or less. I found it at Target for $13, but it was the
> last one and it was on clearance. Pretty good deal for what you get and
> we'll play it enough times to make it worth your money.
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