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> I say, how me the code that proves this..
The email would have been more effective if specific commits to the system
were targeted, rather than just naming names.
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> i am (personally) inclined to believe it's a bunch of bs.
I eagerly await the results of the audit, but I also remain skeptical.
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> Just curious, does anyone on the list use OpenBSD? I know some of you
> use FreeBSD. What I'm worried about is if there are also backdoors in
> OpenSSH.
I use it, or at least, I try to use it when I can. I am not familiar with
the efforts mentioned in this email, but the way to find out whether it
affects OpenSSH is to see the commits that are in question on the VCS.
There is a web interface to it, but you may be more comfortable and more
efficient using the normal CVS tools that are available.
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http://www.davidrevoy.com/?article36/alice-in-wonderland
He won some awards for it. David Revoy, the artist, was the art
director for the Sintel Open Movie project made using Blender. If you
haven't seen that, you should definately check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
You can watch it all the way up to 1080p. And remember, it was all done
using open source software. Blender, Gimp, etc.
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:46:04PM -0500, dosman wrote:note that, fwiw, everyone mentioned by perry in that email has publicly
> I'm sure everyone will hear about this by tomorrow morning, but heads
> up.
denied anything of the sort.
it will be interesting to follow as the code and checkins are being
reviewed, but i am (personally) inclined to believe it's a bunch of bs.
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note that, fwiw, everyone mentioned by perry in that email has publicly
denied anything of the sort.
it will be interesting to follow as the code and checkins are being
reviewed, but i am (personally) inclined to believe it's a bunch of bs.
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 04:46:04AM GMT, dosman [dosman@packetsniffers.org] said the following:
> I'm sure everyone will hear about this by tomorrow morning, but heads
> up.
>
> -dosman
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
> > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:18:27 -0700
> > From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
> > To: security-announce@openbsd.org
> >
> > I have received a mail regarding the early development of the OpenBSD
> > IPSEC stack. It is alleged that some ex-developers (and the company
> > they worked for) accepted US government money to put backdoors into
> > our network stack, in particular the IPSEC stack. Around 2000-2001.
> >
> > Since we had the first IPSEC stack available for free, large parts of
> > the code are now found in many other projects/products. Over 10
> > years, the IPSEC code has gone through many changes and fixes, so it
> > is unclear what the true impact of these allegations are.
> >
> > The mail came in privately from a person I have not talked to for
> > nearly 10 years. I refuse to become part of such a conspiracy, and
> > will not be talking to Gregory Perry about this. Therefore I am
> > making it public so that
> > (a) those who use the code can audit it for these problems,
> > (b) those that are angry at the story can take other actions,
> > (c) if it is not true, those who are being accused can defend
> > themselves.
> >
> > Of course I don't like it when my private mail is forwarded. However
> > the "little ethic" of a private mail being forwarded is much smaller
> > than the "big ethic" of government paying companies to pay open source
> > developers (a member of a community-of-friends) to insert
> > privacy-invading holes in software.
> >
> > ----
> >
> > From: Gregory Perry <Gregory.Perry@GoVirtual.tv>
> > To: "deraadt@openbsd.org" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
> > Subject: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> > Thread-Topic: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> > Thread-Index: AcuZjuF6cT4gcSmqQv+Fo3/+2m80eg==
> > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:55:25 +0000
> > Message-ID: <8D3222F9EB68474DA381831A120B1023019AC034@mbx021-e2-nj-5.exch021.domain.local
> > >
> > Accept-Language: en-US
> > Content-Language: en-US
> > X-MS-Has-Attach:
> > X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Status: RO
> >
> > Hello Theo,
> >
> > Long time no talk. If you will recall, a while back I was the CTO at
> > NETSEC and arranged funding and donations for the OpenBSD Crypto
> > Framework. At that same time I also did some consulting for the FBI,
> > for their GSA Technical Support Center, which was a cryptologic
> > reverse engineering project aimed at backdooring and implementing key
> > escrow mechanisms for smart card and other hardware-based computing
> > technologies.
> >
> > My NDA with the FBI has recently expired, and I wanted to make you
> > aware of the fact that the FBI implemented a number of backdoors and
> > side channel key leaking mechanisms into the OCF, for the express
> > purpose of monitoring the site to site VPN encryption system
> > implemented by EOUSA, the parent organization to the FBI. Jason
> > Wright and several other developers were responsible for those
> > backdoors, and you would be well advised to review any and all code
> > commits by Wright as well as the other developers he worked with
> > originating from NETSEC.
> >
> > This is also probably the reason why you lost your DARPA funding, they
> > more than likely caught wind of the fact that those backdoors were
> > present and didn't want to create any derivative products based upon
> > the same.
> >
> > This is also why several inside FBI folks have been recently
> > advocating the use of OpenBSD for VPN and firewalling implementations
> > in virtualized environments, for example Scott Lowe is a well
> > respected author in virtualization circles who also happens top be on
> > the FBI payroll, and who has also recently published several tutorials
> > for the use of OpenBSD VMs in enterprise VMware vSphere deployments.
> >
> > Merry Christmas...
> >
> > Gregory Perry
> > Chief Executive Officer
> > GoVirtual Education
> >
> > "VMware Training Products & Services"
> >
> > 540-645-6955 x111 (local)
> > 866-354-7369 x111 (toll free)
> > 540-931-9099 (mobile)
> > 877-648-0555 (fax)
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/GregoryVPerry
> > http://www.facebook.com/GoVirtual
> >
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Begin forwarded message:
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:18:27 -0700
> From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
> To: security-announce@openbsd.org
>
> I have received a mail regarding the early development of the OpenBSD
> IPSEC stack. It is alleged that some ex-developers (and the company
> they worked for) accepted US government money to put backdoors into
> our network stack, in particular the IPSEC stack. Around 2000-2001.
>
> Since we had the first IPSEC stack available for free, large parts of
> the code are now found in many other projects/products. Over 10
> years, the IPSEC code has gone through many changes and fixes, so it
> is unclear what the true impact of these allegations are.
>
> The mail came in privately from a person I have not talked to for
> nearly 10 years. I refuse to become part of such a conspiracy, and
> will not be talking to Gregory Perry about this. Therefore I am
> making it public so that
> (a) those who use the code can audit it for these problems,
> (b) those that are angry at the story can take other actions,
> (c) if it is not true, those who are being accused can defend
> themselves.
>
> Of course I don't like it when my private mail is forwarded. However
> the "little ethic" of a private mail being forwarded is much smaller
> than the "big ethic" of government paying companies to pay open source
> developers (a member of a community-of-friends) to insert
> privacy-invading holes in software.
>
> ----
>
> From: Gregory Perry <Gregory.Perry@GoVirtual.tv>
> To: "deraadt@openbsd.org" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
> Subject: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> Thread-Topic: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
> Thread-Index: AcuZjuF6cT4gcSmqQv+Fo3/+2m80eg==
> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:55:25 +0000
> Message-ID: <8D3222F9EB68474DA381831A120B1023019AC034@mbx021-e2-nj-5.exch021.domain.local
> >
> Accept-Language: en-US
> Content-Language: en-US
> X-MS-Has-Attach:
> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Status: RO
>
> Hello Theo,
>
> Long time no talk. If you will recall, a while back I was the CTO at
> NETSEC and arranged funding and donations for the OpenBSD Crypto
> Framework. At that same time I also did some consulting for the FBI,
> for their GSA Technical Support Center, which was a cryptologic
> reverse engineering project aimed at backdooring and implementing key
> escrow mechanisms for smart card and other hardware-based computing
> technologies.
>
> My NDA with the FBI has recently expired, and I wanted to make you
> aware of the fact that the FBI implemented a number of backdoors and
> side channel key leaking mechanisms into the OCF, for the express
> purpose of monitoring the site to site VPN encryption system
> implemented by EOUSA, the parent organization to the FBI. Jason
> Wright and several other developers were responsible for those
> backdoors, and you would be well advised to review any and all code
> commits by Wright as well as the other developers he worked with
> originating from NETSEC.
>
> This is also probably the reason why you lost your DARPA funding, they
> more than likely caught wind of the fact that those backdoors were
> present and didn't want to create any derivative products based upon
> the same.
>
> This is also why several inside FBI folks have been recently
> advocating the use of OpenBSD for VPN and firewalling implementations
> in virtualized environments, for example Scott Lowe is a well
> respected author in virtualization circles who also happens top be on
> the FBI payroll, and who has also recently published several tutorials
> for the use of OpenBSD VMs in enterprise VMware vSphere deployments.
>
> Merry Christmas...
>
> Gregory Perry
> Chief Executive Officer
> GoVirtual Education
>
> "VMware Training Products & Services"
>
> 540-645-6955 x111 (local)
> 866-354-7369 x111 (toll free)
> 540-931-9099 (mobile)
> 877-648-0555 (fax)
>
> http://www.facebook.com/GregoryVPerry
> http://www.facebook.com/GoVirtual
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Yes, I've got the page bookmarked to take a look later--the clean editing screen, especially on a netbook, looks terrific.On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Lord Drachenblut <lord.drachenblut@gmail.com> wrote:
expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier. it is a full screen text editor basically. very light weight written in qt. the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.cheers--On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)--On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.
If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.
They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0
I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)
Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)
Cheers,
Steven Black
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>> I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
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expanding on my mention of focus writer earlier. it is a full screen text editor basically. very light weight written in qt. the dev is very responsive to emails about issues.cheers--On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ana Greavu-Rachow <pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)--On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.
If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.
They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0
I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)
Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)
Cheers,
Steven Black
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>> I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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At 11, her requirements are fairly basic :-)--On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Black <yam655@gmail.com> wrote:
Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.
If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.
They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0
I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)
Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)
Cheers,
Steven Black
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>> I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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>>
>> --
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>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
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>
>
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Ana, I mentioned my experience with the folks that make Scrivener.
They have an unsupported beta version for Linux.
If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.
They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0
I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)
Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)
Cheers,
Steven Black
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>> I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BLUG mailing list
>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BLUG mailing list
>> BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>
>
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
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If your daughter is writing longer things, it is really ideal. The big
difference between it and a word-processing program is that it is
designed to make it easy to manipulate the structure of a story
without copying and pasting anything. Once things are ready, it gets
compiled in to an RTF file and final styling can be done in your
word-processing program of choice.
They used QT for the Windows version, so it was basically a recompile.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ (includes
videos -- it is the same codebase)
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9150
http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9154&start=0
I'm using it for NaNoWriMo this year. (Though with my changing job
priorities, I'm in Windows more than not so I'm beta testing the
Windows version.)
Their goal was always to get a Linux-native version, but they hadn't
originally planned to make anything available for Linux until after
they had released the Windows version. There was sufficient demand for
a Linux version and there were some issues getting it to work in Wine.
(Bringing it back to Wine.)
Cheers,
Steven Black
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Ana Greavu-Rachow
<pawsitiveresults@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!
> Husband has been teaching stepdaughter to play chess.... "Wow! There are
> ALL THESE CHESS GAMES on here, Dad!"
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
>> I've gotten into. ;-)
>>
>> I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
>> > I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
>> > stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older
>> > Mac,
>> > that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH
>> > better
>> > with Linux...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ana Greavu-Rachow
>> > UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
>> > UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF
>> > "Xen"
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>> > >
>> > > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
>> > > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
>> > > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting
>> > > thing
>> > > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
>> > > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
>> > > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
>> > > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer
>> > > store
>> > > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using
>> > > Wine
>> > > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the
>> > > shelves
>> > > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at
>> > > least
>> > > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating
>> > > Linux,
>> > > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often
>> > > or
>> > > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an
>> > > interesting
>> > > thing to share.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Krenz
>> > > Bloomington Linux Users Group
>> > > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BLUG mailing list
>> > > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
>> > >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
>> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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>>
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>> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
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>
>
> --
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> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
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On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04:03AM -0500, Ana Greavu-Rachow wrote:Sounds like a great opportunity to teach her vi. =)
> She also likes to write stories...and I've got OOo on her Dad's Windows
> machine, so she's totally accustomed to using that instead of a Microsoft
> product. Her little hands are really the ideal size for a tiny little
> netbook keyboard, and, as I said, she's just really quickly taken to it.
--
Jeremy L. Gaddis
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Sounds like a great opportunity to teach her vi. =)
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My daughter enjoys playing several Linux native games as well as using
Tuxpaint and Stellarium and then so far most of the kids games I've
bought for her like Dora, Cailliou and Spongebob all have worked in Wine
pretty well.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:39:57PM GMT, Matt Zink [matthewzin@gmail.com] said the following:
> While it's true that Linux will probably run many games, I don't think most
> people can be bothered to make them work on Linux. If it's not a simple
> "double click on the .exe.", then most people seem go for Windows.
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An application for writing to check out is focuswriter. Available from gottcode.org/focuswriter available for linux windows and osx
Hi Ana. Do you have a shovel? I need to dig myself out of this hole
I've gotten into. ;-)
I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
--> I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
> stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older Mac,
> that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH better
> with Linux...
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
> >
> > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
> > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
> > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
> > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
> > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
> > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
> > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
> > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
> > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
> > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
> > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
> >
> > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
> > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
> > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
> > thing to share.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Krenz
> > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BLUG mailing list
> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
> >
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I'm happy to see that you've had lots of success converting people.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 03:28:17PM GMT, Ana Greavu-Rachow [pawsitiveresults@gmail.com] said the following:
> I've got my husband using a Linux netbook these days, and my 11-year-old
> stepdaughter is constantly asking to borrow it...I gave her an older Mac,
> that she pretty much refused to learn to use, but she's doing MUCH better
> with Linux...
>
> --
> Ana Greavu-Rachow
> UAg-I Thunderpaws Blackheart MX MXJ PD1 PJ3 PS2 PR2 PK2 CL4 "Jett"
> UAg-I Norwood's Linux Hypervisor AX OAJ JHD AD AG AJ SR CL2 CL3-RSF "Xen"
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mark Krenz <mark@slugbug.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
> >
> > While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
> > conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
> > teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
> > is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
> > was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
> > possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
> > and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
> > and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
> > and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
> > would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
> > seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
> >
> > I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
> > or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
> > even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
> > thing to share.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Krenz
> > Bloomington Linux Users Group
> > http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BLUG mailing list
> > BLUG@linuxfan.com
> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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Mark Krenz wrote:
> I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
>
> While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
> conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
> teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
> is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
> was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
> possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
> and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
> and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
> and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
> would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
> seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
>
> I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
> or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
> even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
> thing to share.
>
>
>
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I saw an interesting thing happen on Saturday at PC Max.
While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
thing to share.
--
Mark Krenz
Bloomington Linux Users Group
http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
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While in there looking for wireless bridging equipment, I overheard a
conversation between two customers, a mother and what I assume was her
teenage son, talking to the salesman about Linux. The interesting thing
is that the mother was actually trying to convince her son that Linux
was good and he was the one being skeptical, making an excuse about it
possibly not running many games. Being the geek I am, I suddenly felt
and uncontrollable urge to become a 12 year old kid in a computer store
and found myself interjecting that it does play lots of games using Wine
and pointed out that probably half the games that you see on the shelves
would actually fully install and run under Wine these days. It at least
seemed to debunk a myth for him a little bit.
I'm not saying that it was unusual for a woman to be advocating Linux,
or perhaps even a mother, its just that you don't see it happen often or
even hear of it happening often. Anyways, thought it was an interesting
thing to share.
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There're actually a couple dozen pallets of servers (including really
cool SGI machines) and non-servers (some Dells, Apples, and the
like--and not super-old-generation stuff either) at the IU surplus
store *right now*, which they're accepting closed bids on until
*Thursday*. If you want to have a look at what they have and maybe
place some bids, I'd suggest heading over there tomorrow (Wednesday).
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Yeah, I realized that made no sense out of the context of my experience.
> Do you happen to know when these boxes were? I'm interested.
They're MSI WindBOXes...there are newer versions of the box, II & III,
but we got the first run of them.
For what its worth, our first WindBOX has Ubuntu 7.10 on it, so it's
probably over 2 years old now, younger than 3.
> David
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Thanks for clarifying. I was like "what, are they overheating?"
Do you happen to know when these boxes were? I'm interested.
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Just to clarify, this is because the only problems they've experienced
were "external" in nature, with the network between the card catalog
workstation and the server, and so no actual "support" has ever needed
to be performed on these machines other than rebooting them after
whatever network issues were cleared up.
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That is a good point, and part of the reason I continue to spend my
time refreshing (Linuxizing, for one) and giving away old computers to
people who need computers.
In an institutional setting, though, if there are going to be a lot of
them, and particularly if they're intended to be left on, it's worth
noting the power consumption difference. The reliability can also be
an issue—presenting you with a time vs. money balancing
act—particularly if they'd be used in mission-critical ways, and
particularly if you don't have much time to spend troubleshooting and
replacing dying machines.
We took some of our old computers (Interestingly, Optiplex GX260s,
like the ones in that auction), and built Linux-based card catalog
computers for our libraries (they just bought up to OpenBox, or
something, and run Firefox in full-screen mode on the card catalog
website). Hey, we thought, we'd be getting some extra miles out of
machines that are too slow to use on desks or in labs, and it's not
like it's mission-critical so if they die from time to time, who
cares?
The librarians loved them, and they worked beautifully...most of the
time. The only problem with these machines were that they *became*
mission-critical, and the librarians started expecting these things up
and running all the time. But...sometimes the hard disk would die...or
the processor fan would go haywire...or it would just mysteriously
stop wanting to get through POST: in short, they were behaving like
old, dying computers. While we had plenty of backup parts to keep
fixing them, it kept taking our time (and sometimes in response to
great urgency on the librarian's behalf) to maintain them, not to
mention gas driving to the other campus, etc.
We decided to replace them, and bought three new tiny form factor
boxes (pretty much netbook motherboards crammed into aluminum shells)
that could be VESA mounted onto the back of some LCD monitors we
already had. For one thing, they only consume in the neighborhood of
12 watts, maybe 10% of what the old computers pulled. For another,
they're entirely solid-state (well, we bought solid state drives for
them, so now they are), and so with no moving parts, and the entire
back side of the thing as a heat sink, they're silent and cool. Also,
the card catalog station—unless you peek behind it—just like an LCD
monitor with a keyboard and mouse connected to it; the actual computer
part of it has no desk footprint.
For lagniappe, I'm still trying to train the librarians to "just
reboot the thing; if it doesn't work again, leave it alone for a while
and try rebooting it again later", a phrase which would have saved
them every single support call relating to those things since we put
them in.
Just a story; call it a cautionary tale.
Simón
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