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> My first successful installs of Linux were Breezy and MEPIS
> 3.3-1, both Debian based, and both using apt/Synaptic. To this
> day, I still can't get comfortable with any desktop distro that
> isn't Debian based. The only exception is PCLinuxOS, but that's
> because it uses apt-for-rpm.
Anybody know whether the Debian family of distros is
taking any interest in PackageKit? Fedora clearly has great hopes
for it, and iirc it's meant to be OS-agnostic.
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My first successful installs of Linux were Breezy and MEPIS 3.3-1, both
Debian based, and both using apt/Synaptic. To this day, I still can't
get comfortable with any desktop distro that isn't Debian based. The
only exception is PCLinuxOS, but that's because it uses apt-for-rpm.
It appears that with Lenny, Synaptic is being deprecated in favor of
Aptitude. However, my distro of choice (the Lenny based MEPIS 8) still
defaults to Synaptic. I also understand that mixing the two can
conceivably cause problems. So for now I'm gonna stick with ol'
reliable. Old dog != new tricks
Prolly need to set up a test install of Squeeze and start pokin' around.
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I'm definitely in the camp of "we have a crappy implementation of it",
I think the current "life plus 70 years" law is not only ridiculous
but blatantly driven by Disney, and extremely detrimental. But, I
absolutely think that there's some sense of copyright that we all
want, and this is the story I always tell to illustrate that.
In music school, we often ran across works that were believed to be by
Franz Joseph Haydn, but whose authorship was eventually called into
question by music historians. At some point, one of my profs told a
story that Haydn's publisher would sometimes take pieces written by
other composers and publish them under Haydn's name. Haydn was quite
well known and well liked, so naturally his publisher thought that the
pieces would sell better if marketed as pieces by him. I suspect he
was correct about that.
I can't assure you that this story is true, but it kind of doesn't
matter in this sense: If it's true, it's repulsive. I've told a lot
of people this story in casual settings and I can't remember anyone
expressing sympathy with the publisher's position. We have an
intuitive sense, then, of intellectual property. It just clearly
doesn't even come close to matching our nation's intellectual property
laws.
david
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I was working in a RedHat shop, and had become very comfortable with
RPM. Something prompted me to try a debian installation, and as soon
as I had it installed, I said "ok, how to I run updates? How do I
install new software?" All the reference materials I could find
pointed me to dselect (I can't swear that apt-get wasn't available
yet, but it certainly wasn't the standard. This was somewhere around
1998, I'd guess). I spent an hour or two of extreme frustration
trying to get dselect to do what I wanted to do. And, in the end I
said "forget debian". That remained my attitude until I tried Ubuntu
Breezy Badger, which was indeed breezy to install, update packages,
and install additional software. At which point I basically said
"forget redhat".
I've probably underestimated just how important package management
is to me. Honestly, I hate dealing with it, so the faster I get it
done probably correlates strongly with how happy I am with a distro.
David
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SLES has a PPC version as well. Big Red at IU uses SLES 9.0 and I have
installed 10 on several apple PPC boxen.
Opensuse info is here: http://en.opensuse.org/POWER%40SUSE
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I can see how that might have caused hardship back then for
particularly prolific authors.
OTOH, I don't think it's a protection that most people needed. (or
could get, as it only applied to printed books, charts, and maps)
Or did you mean a hardship to the government?
In a digital world, that might be either easier or it might be harder...
I dunno, maybe I'm just being overly cynical, but it's hard to think
of a copyright system that was created in the era of the printing
press, and which has been gradually and systematically bent, over the
past 70 years or so, to serve a very few powerful copyright holders,
and believe that it has any hope of becoming sane or rational through
the same law-making practices that bent it so far out of whack to
begin with.
This is probably why Lawrence Lessig moved on from working on
establishing a real "Creative Commons" to trying to "Change Congress".
>>> If they weren't being paid for what they write for their employers,
>>> what would they live on?
>>
>> At the risk of sounding like I'm just looking for ways to be contrary (I'm
>> not, I'm just enjoying an interesting conversation):
>>
>> I don't think coders are being paid for a manufactured good, code.
>>
>> They're being paid for their time, for the privilege of having all their
>> skills, expertise and experience focused on solving your problems.
>
> You might want to read what the Copyright Office has to say about
> works made for hire.
Oh, I know. The code never belongs to them, it's the I.P. of their
employers; they aren't being paid for their code, they're being paid
to build someone else's.
This "innovation" has been used by the RIAA to claim in court that the
artists that they contracted with were actually creating a "work for
hire" for them and so, in fact, copyright (and any royalties) should
belong to the record company rather than the artist.
Another example of how copyright law has become a weapon to be used
against artists and their customers.
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> On the Internet, you can never tell who is a dog --
> supposing you care -- but you can tell who has a mind.
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