that memory management was supposed to be one the big areas of
improvement. I know that we have run the RC of 7 on old IBM ThinkPad
T43s that Vista just laughed at with fairly impressive results. No
official benchmarks or anything. I was amazed it ran at all. So the
little exprperience that I have with it shows that 7 runs reasonably
well on machines that Vista wouldn't consider.
The netbook phenomenon seems to bear this out somewhat. At least I
have never seen a netbook with Vista OEM.
Kirk
On 11/5/09, David Ernst <david.ernst@davidernst.net> wrote:
> Wow, interesting. I've got an oldish machine that had ~770M RAM in
> it, and I got very poor performance running Windows Vista. I added
> another 1G stick of RAM, and now it runs great.
>
> Could it possibly be that Windows 7 makes more efficient use of memory
> than Windows Vista?? It defies all precedent, there must be some
> other explanation.
>
> David
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 03:50:08PM -0500, Kirk Gleason wrote:
>>I am running a windows 7 machines with 512MB of ram that performs like
>>a champ. I don't do a ton with it, but it performs like a champ when I
>>need it too.
>>
>>On 11/5/09, Steven Black <blacks@indiana.edu> wrote:
>>> 512M of RAM is just enough RAM to be in the middle of swapping-hell in
>>> Windows Vista *or* Windows 7. Neither OS will be usable on the machine.
>>> And I mean, literally, she would be better off sticking to machines in
>>> computer labs/libraries/etc than trying to use it.
>>>
>>> The laptop-license of Windows XP that came with the system became
>>> invalid with the destruction of the install media. The license on the
>>> bottom was only ever valid with both the physical hardware as well as
>>> with the original install media. (This is usually a physical partition.)
>>>
>>> You are running in to the same reason that it is impossible for Goodwill
>>> and the Salvation Army to resell modern computers. They can't insure
>>> it has a legal version of Windows so when they can not reject them at
>>> delivery time, they have to throw away the CPU. This is the same
>>> reason pawn shops require the original media -- they've been sued by
>>> Microsoft for selling illegal versions of Windows when it did not
>>> include the original media.
>>>
>>> Your best bet is to find someone selling Windows XP online. Some
>>> retaillers may still have it. (Unlikely -- and costly -- as it may be.)
>>>
>>> Ideally, you want to just install Linux and Wine. Unlike a VM, Wine does
>>> not require a license to a Windows OS.
>>>
>>> My recommendation: Install Linux exclusively. Tell her about Wine and
>>> how it might work, but remind her that the big reason a person needs a
>>> laptop is usually for writing papers, and that Linux will work just as
>>> well for that. Then install Wine and try to get the software she needs
>>> to run on it.
>>>
>>> If Linux and Wine won't work for her at all, then she'll have to pay
>>> real money to get a real laptop. There's just no getting around it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steven
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 11:50:37AM -0500, Mark Warner wrote:
>>>> It's a 2.0GHz Celeron with 512MB RAM. I got it off of FreeCycle with a
>>>> totally trashed OS and no install media, of course. I was hoping to put
>>>> a more legit version of XP on it, rather than the IU volume licensed OS
>>>> that we all know is available.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that she is going into the medical technology
>>>> (transcription, coding, etc.) program. I can only assume she'll be
>>>> working in a Win environment. In these types of situations, what I like
>>>> to do is offer a dual boot Lin/Win setup, and encourage the user to
>>>> spend as much time as possible in the Lin environment.
>>>>
>>>> My personal playtoy laptop is a Dell C600 700MHz/512MB/20G machine, that
>>>> has a "just in case" load of XP (never has been needed), a default of
>>>> MEPIS 8, and a partition that I use to install and play around with new
>>>> stuff. That last currently has a load of Karmic. Yes, it runs well, but
>>>> it doesn't have the "snap" that the MEPIS install does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Krenz wrote:
>>>> > If its not going to have enough horsepower to run a VM on top of the
>>>> > OS, then its probably not enough to run Vista or Win7 then. Right?
>>>> >
>>>> > I recently install Ubuntu on an old Dell 600 series laptop and was
>>>> > rather surprised by how fast it was and all the stuff I could run
>>>> > normally. It may seem risky to try to get them to try using a
>>>> > different
>>>> > OS, but we took that risk in the 90s a lot and got through it. 10
>>>> > years
>>>> > later its much safer to do and you're much more likely to be
>>>> > successful
>>>> > in converting a user.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think one thing that the Linux advocates forgot to do is to teach
>>>> > a
>>>> > new generation of Linux advocates how to promote Linux. An OS can't
>>>> > promote itself, it needs users to do that.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 02:34:22PM GMT, Mark Warner
>>>> > [markwarner1954@att.net] said the following:
>>>> >> Of course. Except for the facts that
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) the machine I'm cobbling together isn't going to have much
>>>> >> horsepower, at least not enough to run a VM with decent performance
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2) you still need an OS and software for the VM. We all know the IU
>>>> >> stuff is easily obtained, but I was hoping to be more legit.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mark Krenz wrote:
>>>> >>> As if it has to be said.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sounds like a great opportunity to spring Ubuntu and Wine or
>>>> >>> Virtualbox on them.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:55:16PM GMT, Mark Warner
>>>> >>> [markwarner1954@att.net] said the following:
>>>> >>>> I have been asked to rebuild a computer for a new Ivy Tech student,
>>>> >>>> and
>>>> >>>> was wondering if they have access to Microsoft operating systems
>>>> >>>> and
>>>> >>>> software similar to the arrangement that IU students, faculty, and
>>>> >>>> staff
>>>> >>>> enjoy. The student didn't know herself.
>>>> >>
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