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Monday, July 30, 2007

Re: [BLUG] Compiz Fusion

On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 05:29:54PM GMT, Joe Auty [joe@netmusician.org] said the following:
>
> This is cool with me, I'm more of an engineer so this is no slight, but
> all of these forks, name changes, etc. must be a marketing nightmare.
> Could you imagine trying to push a product on the masses in this fashion?
>

Forks are one thing. They happen when development teams split up.
Name changes are another. At least when the project is popular, name
changes are usually because of trademark reasons. Its a major annoyance
in the open source world, but I guess its something we'll have to deal
with. Some that come to mind that happened because of this are:

x11amp -> XMMS
Sawmill -> Sawfish
Ethereal -> Wireshark
Gaim -> Pidgin

Cups is one that is coming up, but that will probably be more of a
fork because people won't want Apple in control. Cups, forks, spoons.
I want my tea.

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Re: [BLUG] Compiz Fusion

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Joe,
Are you talking about support within Ber/XGl/piz for ATI or support in
fglrx for your model card?

I've used Beryl and Emerald with XGL on two different fglrx-supported
cards, without problems, in gentoo and ubuntu.

Rich

Pawsitive Results wrote:
> My understanding is that the project forked into Compiz and Beryl, and
> has now been disenforked (unforked? spooned?) into Compiz Fusion. I know
> this only because I looked it up last night 'cause I had the same
> confusion.
>
> Ana
>
> On 7/30/07, *Joe Auty* <joe@netmusician.org
> <mailto:joe@netmusician.org>> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm kind of locked into a rather application centric approach to
> computing rather than document centric (i.e. the Mac way).
>
> I was just looking at this very cool demo of Compiz Fusion:
>
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
>
> There are several interesting features in here which would make for some
> interesting usability discussion, as well as some useless features such
> as the fire paint.
>
> However, one thing I noticed was the OS X Dock. I know there are a few
> dock-like implementations, but it seems like all of them require Beryl
> to work properly.
>
> At work I'm stuck with a Radeon x600 card, which is actually pretty
> modern but unsupported in Beryl. With all of this changing of
> communities that has gone on - XGL (or whatever the acronym is), Beryl,
> Compiz, Compiz Fusion, I'm a little bit confused as to what the current
> status is. My sense is that Compiz Fusion is the project to follow.
>
> At any rate, I'd like to know what page to monitor to see when/if my
> x600 card will be supported. I never know whether the pages I do find
> are up-to-date or relevant.
>
> Any illumination here would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
> (If you want to have a usability discussion about this tech demo, I'd
> welcome that too :)
>
>
> --
> Joe Auty
> NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
>

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Re: [BLUG] Compiz Fusion

I don't mean to turn this into a critique of Linux as a whole, but this
is the sort of evidence that Linux is sort of a more engineer-centric OS
than an end-user one.

This is cool with me, I'm more of an engineer so this is no slight, but
all of these forks, name changes, etc. must be a marketing nightmare.
Could you imagine trying to push a product on the masses in this fashion?

"It's this! No wait, now it's this and does this, based on this, but
different than this other thing... Now it's the same again, but it has a
different name! Ignore these other websites, they're outdated now" :)

> Ana
>
> On 7/30/07, *Joe Auty* <joe@netmusician.org
> <mailto:joe@netmusician.org>> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm kind of locked into a rather application centric approach to
> computing rather than document centric (i.e. the Mac way).
>
> I was just looking at this very cool demo of Compiz Fusion:
>
>

http://www.netmusician.org
> joe@netmusician.org <mailto:joe@netmusician.org>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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>
>

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Re: [BLUG] Compiz Fusion

My understanding is that the project forked into Compiz and Beryl, and has now been disenforked (unforked? spooned?) into Compiz Fusion. I know this only because I looked it up last night 'cause I had the same confusion.

Ana

On 7/30/07, Joe Auty <joe@netmusician.org> wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm kind of locked into a rather application centric approach to
computing rather than document centric (i.e. the Mac way).

I was just looking at this very cool demo of Compiz Fusion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w

There are several interesting features in here which would make for some
interesting usability discussion, as well as some useless features such
as the fire paint.

However, one thing I noticed was the OS X Dock. I know there are a few
dock-like implementations, but it seems like all of them require Beryl
to work properly.

At work I'm stuck with a Radeon x600 card, which is actually pretty
modern but unsupported in Beryl. With all of this changing of
communities that has gone on - XGL (or whatever the acronym is), Beryl,
Compiz, Compiz Fusion, I'm a little bit confused as to what the current
status is. My sense is that Compiz Fusion is the project to follow.

At any rate, I'd like to know what page to monitor to see when/if my
x600 card will be supported. I never know whether the pages I do find
are up-to-date or relevant.

Any illumination here would be greatly appreciated!

(If you want to have a usability discussion about this tech demo, I'd
welcome that too :)

--
Joe Auty
NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians
http://www.netmusician.org
joe@netmusician.org
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[BLUG] Xen vs. VMWare

Hi,

Other than the fact that under Intel XT compatible hardware Xen offers
full hardware virtualization rather than the para-virtualization offered
by VMWare and the like, what other sorts of advantages are there to
running Xen? I don't really care about using my native video card in the
OSes I want to virtualize.

One of my reasons for asking is that it seems that setting up VMWare
Player is much easier under Linux than Xen. I know that Xen was marketed
as the next coming originally, but it seems like this excitement has
died down?

What is the current status with the Xen project, and are there plans to
simply the setup process?

I've never actually seen Xen in action, because it appears like the BIOS
of this PC I'm on doesn't have an option to enable XT, and Xen is
generating related error messages, so I kind of gave up on it thinking I
wasn't going to gain much I couldn't get in VMWare. Should I give it
another go? What is Xen like in managing these OSes, disk images, etc?
I'd love to use an open source project for this sort of thing rather
than VMWare.

I ask the list because I know that there was either a Xen meeting (that
I missed), or one planned (that I will surely make if I can). I would
assume that this means that there are those on this list that know more
than I about this project :)

Anyone care to illuminate here?

[BLUG] Compiz Fusion

Hey guys,

I'm kind of locked into a rather application centric approach to
computing rather than document centric (i.e. the Mac way).

I was just looking at this very cool demo of Compiz Fusion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w

There are several interesting features in here which would make for some
interesting usability discussion, as well as some useless features such
as the fire paint.

However, one thing I noticed was the OS X Dock. I know there are a few
dock-like implementations, but it seems like all of them require Beryl
to work properly.

At work I'm stuck with a Radeon x600 card, which is actually pretty
modern but unsupported in Beryl. With all of this changing of
communities that has gone on - XGL (or whatever the acronym is), Beryl,
Compiz, Compiz Fusion, I'm a little bit confused as to what the current
status is. My sense is that Compiz Fusion is the project to follow.

At any rate, I'd like to know what page to monitor to see when/if my
x600 card will be supported. I never know whether the pages I do find
are up-to-date or relevant.

Any illumination here would be greatly appreciated!

(If you want to have a usability discussion about this tech demo, I'd
welcome that too :)

Sunday, July 29, 2007

[BLUG] Loan me a digital piano or synthesizer

This is really off topic, but you are people who I know and often
computers and music are skills that go together. Does anyone on the
list have a decent digital piano or synthesizer that they are not using
for the time being. I know a lot of people buy things an then they sit
around and collect dust. You can just loan one to me for 6 to 12 months
and then I'll give it back to you. Or I'll give it back to you if I
decide its not for me. Or if you have one that you'd be willing to sell
for cheap, I could take a look.

I have recently wanted to revisit my piano skills and want to make
sure I'm really into it before I pay $1000+ for a new one. I used to
own a Kurzweil PC88MX that I kept in great condition, but I sold it 6
years ago when I needed some money. So I know how to take care of these
kinds of instruments and I would take care of yours just the same.

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